TractorRob
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Gee, thanks a lot! I'm never going near my tractor again! Seriously, though, that is a very sobering website, and will make me a little more cautious around my tractor.
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tugboat-2
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- Many over the years, + '05 JD-4410 TLB, but quite proud of my big green "Rolls": AKA: 2006 JD-3520 Cab, HST, Tunes & 2-way tiltmeter, Cobra communications and 6" (x2) rear wheel spacers for a lot less pucker-factor!!
How do I get dragged into these things? But Bpattie and MidSouth: If you really insist on proof,....go ahead and ignore the great advice of N80 and others. George is trying to save your life! ...but ignore him and the silly "safety" rules,.. and "eventually" you'll have your proof!
Remember,..these "Safety Features" were thought up,...(not after somebody got hurt),...but after "several" people got either badly injured, maimed for life or killed!!
They're put in place similar to traffic lights at the corner. NEVER for common sense. Never after a few close calls,..Never after people start getting injured, ..but quite often it takes a bad one where someone is killed before they install the lights.
All these "silly-safety-features" didn't just evolve suddenly one day. They came about one at a time,...in answer to something terrible happening to some poor innocent bugger just like you,...WHO DIDN"T SEE IT COMING!!!
For cryin-out-loud man, learn from those that paid the price!!!
Be careful out there,
. . tug
Remember,..these "Safety Features" were thought up,...(not after somebody got hurt),...but after "several" people got either badly injured, maimed for life or killed!!
They're put in place similar to traffic lights at the corner. NEVER for common sense. Never after a few close calls,..Never after people start getting injured, ..but quite often it takes a bad one where someone is killed before they install the lights.
All these "silly-safety-features" didn't just evolve suddenly one day. They came about one at a time,...in answer to something terrible happening to some poor innocent bugger just like you,...WHO DIDN"T SEE IT COMING!!!
For cryin-out-loud man, learn from those that paid the price!!!
Be careful out there,
. . tug
BeeferMan
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Good post tug...
Some people seem to think that safety requirements came about from some government worker sitting around one day with nothing to do. Now I'll admit that some of the rules and regs are over the edge, but things like ROPS were developed due to multiple tragedies, not idle speculation. I would not send any member of my family out on tractor that didn't have a ROPS...
Some people seem to think that safety requirements came about from some government worker sitting around one day with nothing to do. Now I'll admit that some of the rules and regs are over the edge, but things like ROPS were developed due to multiple tragedies, not idle speculation. I would not send any member of my family out on tractor that didn't have a ROPS...
Midsouth
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Tug i think i was misunderstood it what i posted. I just meant that i didn't think that a lot of people in the old days didn't make it past 12 due to farm accidents.
That is not to say that there wasn't needless deaths back then but i don't think the number is out of whack with the number of equipment in use. Also IMHO i think people were probably more careful back then. It is easy to get complacent today with all they safety features we have. We just have to remember they are mechanical devices and can fail without warning.
I agree that a lot of the safety devices we have now was needed long before they was put in place.
That is not to say that there wasn't needless deaths back then but i don't think the number is out of whack with the number of equipment in use. Also IMHO i think people were probably more careful back then. It is easy to get complacent today with all they safety features we have. We just have to remember they are mechanical devices and can fail without warning.
I agree that a lot of the safety devices we have now was needed long before they was put in place.
Redneck in training
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There is no point to get excited about those who risk their lives. This is how natural selection works. This is how they get removed from the gene pool.
There is a saying: " We learn from mistakes." but there is also associated saying: "The smart one learn from mistakes of others, only the stupid one learn from mistakes of their own."
JoelD
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Well put.
I look at this topic similar to hockey helmets, I think that people were overall more careful when there were no helmet, sticks were kept down more often, etc. Once helmets came to be, sticks went up.
With that said, I do agree that one negative to safety equipment is it can give a false sense of security.
To be safe you need to use the safety equipment, but above all, you can't loose respect for the machine.
Joel
TugBoat,
I think you misread my post. I do not ignore any, well at least the ones I know or have learned safety practices. My statement was just to ask why seatbelt with ROPS and no seatbelt without. I had never had a tractor that had a seatbelt. It has been interesting to read all your thoughts though and thanks. Yes, the grime tales have been good and will likely insprire even greater care going forward. I have been working also on my new tractor operation outfit
. sorry if image is to big, new to this
wvpolekat
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N80 said:
The signature is pure irony after your post.
Product liability lawsuits are, by and large, a concept thought up by lawyers, and are purely to make them money at our expense. I can't see how any reasonable person would hold a tractor manufacturer liable for them flipping it over, sticking their arm in the PTO, or the number of other operator errors they are protecting us from. We do not need to be protected from equipment. It is inanimate. Some of us need protection from our own mistakes.
ShenandoahJoe
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For the best perspective on everything, farm safety included, I go to The Onion.
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Interesting thread. I'm just now considering the purchase of a CUT due to my wife's newfound horse habit and the purchase of 40+ acres of land (mixed topography, some pasture, some heavily treed).
My professional life is far away from agriculture, though I grew up in rural Iowa where I witnessed a number of scary incidents. A quick Google search (try "Farm Accident Causes Penoscrotal Degloving") found a similar injury as one a friend suffered.
In short, ya'll bring up two important issues:
1) One man's "common sense" is another's "learning moment";
2) Life is full of risks, and some are worth mitigating, and some are not.
There were no roll over protections or seat belts when I was a kid in Iowa. Of course we did not wear helmets while riding a bike, we drank well water likely contaminated with pesticides, and we had sex without condoms.
There were benefits and costs to life then, just as there are now. However, once you've seen a "penoscrotal degloving", you'll want your PTO covered...
dnj
My professional life is far away from agriculture, though I grew up in rural Iowa where I witnessed a number of scary incidents. A quick Google search (try "Farm Accident Causes Penoscrotal Degloving") found a similar injury as one a friend suffered.
In short, ya'll bring up two important issues:
1) One man's "common sense" is another's "learning moment";
2) Life is full of risks, and some are worth mitigating, and some are not.
There were no roll over protections or seat belts when I was a kid in Iowa. Of course we did not wear helmets while riding a bike, we drank well water likely contaminated with pesticides, and we had sex without condoms.
There were benefits and costs to life then, just as there are now. However, once you've seen a "penoscrotal degloving", you'll want your PTO covered...
dnj