Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions?

   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #11  
You can measure output also by using PTO powered generator. Do it by calculating KW to HP by load testing.

I still think my BX2200 puts out more like 24 HP and about ~19 HP to the PTO. Judging by how my 62" flail mower works. Kind of like that "seat in the pants" feel. I think it operates the flail quite well for the size machine. Which leads me to believe they just underrate it.
 
   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #12  
My dealer said they're tested the PTO on their 2501 on the lot and were getting 30 horse out of it. That's half again as much power as advertised.
ZIMM23's second T-B-N post.


VW has already paid $23.2 BILLION dollars in penalties to USA and European governments over its fudging of diesel emission standards in cars.

Now VW is facing a $10.7 BILLION lawsuit from investors. We are not discussing millions, rather B-B-B-BILLLIONS!!

Kubota would not risk its reputation and BILLIONS in penalties today by fudging horsepower output / emission standards over 19 kW demarcation on ONE model. VW travails and executive turmoil are in the news daily.
Absurd.



VW faces about $10.7 billion investor suit over dieselgate scandal

FRANKFURT Volkswagen faces a trial next week as investors seek 9.2 billion euros ($10.7 billion) in compensation arguing that the carmaker should have informed shareholders about a diesel pollution scandal before regulators did in September 2015.

The lawsuit bundles 1,670 claims brought mainly by VW's institutional shareholders who have accused the carmaker of failing to inform investors about the scope of a scandal which has already cost the company 27.4 billion euros in penalties and fines.

Had VW warned investors about the size of the scandal before the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a "notice of violation" on Sept. 18 2015 then institutional investors may have avoided losses on their shareholdings, plaintiffs said.

VW shares lost up to 37 percent of their value in the days after authorities exposed illegal levels of pollution emitted from VW diesel cars.

Volkswagen has admitted systematic emissions cheating but denies wrongdoing in matters of regulatory disclosure.

Presiding Judge Christian Jaede at the Braunschweig higher regional court will make opening remarks at the trial on Monday.

VW insists that the U.S. EPA's issuance of the notice of violation was not in keeping with how U.S. authorities had handled similar cases involving other carmakers.

Because other carmakers had reached a settlement for emissions cheating without an EPA notice of violation, and because VW was in talks about reaching a settlement, VW's board did not see the need to inform investors, the carmaker said in a filing with the Braunschweig court.

VW had already made substantial provisions in late 2015 to cover other vehicle recalls, and because previous fines by U.S. authorities for similar violations were below $200 million, there was no need to issue an ad-hoc disclosure notice under German law, the carmaker said in the filing.

Volkswagen says board members at the time, including Volkswagen's current chief executive Herbert Diess and Chairman Hans Dieter Poetsch therefore did not violate disclosure rules, according to the VW defense document filed with the court.

"Neither the management board nor individual board members caused or were involved with the compliance violation in the United States," VW's court filing said.

However, plaintiffs, including lawyer Andreas Tilp from law firm TILP and fund management firm Deka, argue that managers below management board level, including divisional heads, knew about deliberate and systematic emissions cheating.

The company as such was therefore aware of severe criminal activity and investors should therefore have been warned earlier, the plaintiffs said.
 
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   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #13  
Jeffy

This thread is not about VW or any automobile. Copying an off-topic website article does NOT propel you to class president. To avoid copyright infringement, include the source and author of published materials.

Do you have input concerning the 2501 emissions questions raised by the OP ??.
 
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ZIMM23's second T-B-N post.


VW has already paid $23.2 BILLION dollars in penalties to USA and European governments over its fudging of diesel emission standards in cars.

Now VW is facing a $10.7 BILLION lawsuit from investors. We are not discussing millions, rather B-B-B-BILLLIONS!!

Kubota would not risk its reputation and BILLIONS in penalties today by fudging horsepower output / emission standards over 19 kW demarcation on ONE model. VW travails and executive turmoil are in the news daily.
Absurd.



VW faces about $10.7 billion investor suit over dieselgate scandal

FRANKFURT Volkswagen faces a trial next week as investors seek 9.2 billion euros ($10.7 billion) in compensation arguing that the carmaker should have informed shareholders about a diesel pollution scandal before regulators did in September 2015.

The lawsuit bundles 1,670 claims brought mainly by VW's institutional shareholders who have accused the carmaker of failing to inform investors about the scope of a scandal which has already cost the company 27.4 billion euros in penalties and fines.

Had VW warned investors about the size of the scandal before the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) issued a "notice of violation" on Sept. 18 2015 then institutional investors may have avoided losses on their shareholdings, plaintiffs said.

VW shares lost up to 37 percent of their value in the days after authorities exposed illegal levels of pollution emitted from VW diesel cars.

Volkswagen has admitted systematic emissions cheating but denies wrongdoing in matters of regulatory disclosure.

Presiding Judge Christian Jaede at the Braunschweig higher regional court will make opening remarks at the trial on Monday.

VW insists that the U.S. EPA's issuance of the notice of violation was not in keeping with how U.S. authorities had handled similar cases involving other carmakers.

Because other carmakers had reached a settlement for emissions cheating without an EPA notice of violation, and because VW was in talks about reaching a settlement, VW's board did not see the need to inform investors, the carmaker said in a filing with the Braunschweig court.

VW had already made substantial provisions in late 2015 to cover other vehicle recalls, and because previous fines by U.S. authorities for similar violations were below $200 million, there was no need to issue an ad-hoc disclosure notice under German law, the carmaker said in the filing.

Volkswagen says board members at the time, including Volkswagen's current chief executive Herbert Diess and Chairman Hans Dieter Poetsch therefore did not violate disclosure rules, according to the VW defense document filed with the court.

"Neither the management board nor individual board members caused or were involved with the compliance violation in the United States," VW's court filing said.

However, plaintiffs, including lawyer Andreas Tilp from law firm TILP and fund management firm Deka, argue that managers below management board level, including divisional heads, knew about deliberate and systematic emissions cheating.

The company as such was therefore aware of severe criminal activity and investors should therefore have been warned earlier, the plaintiffs said.

100% agreement, Jeff.

Concerns about copyright infringement in this context are preposterous.

SDT
 
   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #15  
Yes the L2501 is a tweaked version of the engine in a L3200 or L3800. They created it pretty obviously the get under the 25hp HP limit for the more stringent tier 4 emissions controls. Technically it's still subject to tier 4 emissions standards, but they are more lax for engines under 25hp.

It's pretty obvious how & why they did it. The only question is how accurate they are at derating.
 
   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #16  
I have to agree it’s probably not over 25 hp. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less rpm and more toque than other smaller 25 hp tractors which would give the impression of more power. So, what would it take to give it a boost in hp?
 
   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #17  
If y'all just read the previous posts in this old thread you'd learn it's the old 34HP motor from a previous generation L3400, simply governed to a lower RPM to limit it to 25HP.
 
   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #18  
If you adjust or modify the governor to let it run at full rpm the PTO will be turning too fast. I expect that there's PTO gears from another model that would get you 540 pto rpm at something closer to the new higher peak HP rpm but you'd have to split the transmission to install them.
 
   / Is the 2501 hiding more power than advertised to avoid tier 4 emissions? #19  
My dealer said they're tested the PTO on their 2501 on the lot and were getting 30 horse out of it. That's half again as much power as advertised. He said their Kubota rep said the L2501 is a tuned down version of the old 3800, operating at lower RPMs. Does anyone have any more information on this? Or own a L2501 and have an opinion on how it operates?
Pretty much all the posts I have seen are wrong L 2501 is 100.47 cubic inches. It is a 35 horse engine detuned.for emmisions!!! Anything rated over 30 hp has to have def fluid (emissions) so they put a rev limiter on the 35 horse engine so it would only run at 2200 RPMs remove the rev limiter it is a 35 horse tractor. You do not need to mess with any throttle adjustments. Just remove the rev limiter. 😎😎
 
 
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