"massey is not supporting their small utility tractor lines"

[TSO]

And have you noticed how Massey's changes have increased U.S manufacturing. Just as one of many changes . . The new Massey DL95 front end loader . . Is made in the u.s.. And they also make 4 other loaders for the larger cut tractor products too . . again all U.S. made.

The previous loaders, the DL100 & 200 series loaders, were already made in America, in Iowa. Just FYI. Where-as the new loaders are made by ALO-Quick, a European company... Who built a new North American factory.

 

[Sportsman762]

I cannot comment on AGCO supporting the current compact tractors. Most compact tractors in the 70's-90's were made by Japanese firms. JD = Yanmar, Ford = Shibaura, AGCO = Hinamoto. The problem is Hinamoto decided to leave the tractor business and focus on building engines. This left MF high and dry for parts, so the parts for the old AGCO compacts are non existent. There are not enough of these tractors out there for the aftermarket parts industry to supply the parts. I would be shocked if AGCO did not support their non Hinamoto compact tractors.

 

[AxleHub]

I cannot comment on AGCO supporting the current compact tractors. Most compact tractors in the 70's-90's were made by Japanese firms. JD = Yanmar, Ford = Shibaura, AGCO = Hinamoto. The problem is Hinamoto decided to leave the tractor business and focus on building engines. This left MF high and dry for parts, so the parts for the old AGCO compacts are non existent. There are not enough of these tractors out there for the aftermarket parts industry to supply the parts. I would be shocked if AGCO did not support their non Hinamoto compact tractors.

I'm surprised that 70 to 90 hp product is considered as compact category at all.

 

[wcampbell47]

Shopping for my first tractor and have good Kubota dealerships in the area. Have been looking at their L series, but a friend talked me into checking out Massey (solid, dependable, good value for $). I called a dealer who said that they stopped carrying MF because they couldn't get product/parts for their smaller tractors. They said MF was focusing more on their larger model tractors. The 2600 series line looks to be about what I'm looking for, but now I'm concerned about the service side of things down the road. Appreciate any advice or rebuttal to this rumor.

This month took delivery of an L3901 and loving it. Traded in my B3200. Now the B3200 was a good tractor with 1200 hours but I needed some more hp. The L39 handles all my existing equipment much better. The position control for the 3 point is way better on my L model than on my B models.

 

[square1]

I'm surprised that 70 to 90 hp product is considered as compact category at all.

Pretty sure the OP meant 1970-1990 model years

 

[Sportsman762]

Pretty sure the OP meant 1970-1990 model years

Thanks I should have put 1970-1980.

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

The new Massey DL95 front end loader . . Is made in the u.s.. And they also make 4 other loaders for the larger cut tractor products too . . again all U.S. made.

My DL120 loader on my 1643 is American made...and is seemingly better than the new loader that replaced it.

 

[AxleHub]

My DL120 loader on my 1643 is American made...and is seemingly better than the new loader that replaced it.

The dl120 and its replacement are both u.s. made. Like the dl95 the dl120 replacement is fully u.s. manufactured.

You said " dl120 loader on my 1643 is American made...and is seemingly better than the new loader that replaced it."

Could you be specific how it is better than its replacement. The more soecific the better. Welds, gussets, weight handling, hydro line protection and positioning, bucket pins and connections to tractor etc. Etc..

 

[Wobblin-Goblin]

The dl120 and its replacement are both u.s. made. Like the dl95 the dl120 replacement is fully u.s. manufactured.

You said " dl120 loader on my 1643 is American made...and is seemingly better than the new loader that replaced it."

Could you be specific how it is better than its replacement. The more soecific the better. Welds, gussets, weight handling, hydro line protection and positioning, bucket pins and connections to tractor etc. Etc..

I understand the new loaders are American made, too. I was simply pointing out that the new loaders aren't somehow an upgrade because they are made here, because the previous loaders were, too.

As far as the specifics, if you look at the mounts, they don't look as rugged or robust. In fact, I was struck by how much lighter they looked. Strike #1.

Strike #2 was the loader arms themselves. They just don't look as strong. The arms on my DL120 appear to be more rugged than the arms on the DL125.

Strike #3 was the bucket. This was the most obvious difference between the two loaders. The new buckets on the 1700 series tractors are smaller, with less depth (volume), and are constructed out of thinner steel than the previous buckets.

This is my second Massey compact tractor (my first was a 1540 with loader), so I can see the progression of loaders/buckets over the last ten years or so.

The one part of the new loaders that look as good or better than the previous model is the hydraulics. I don't know if they ARE better, but they look more stout. Having said that, more hydraulic power on chintzier loaders isn't exactly a good thing.

Personally, I'm glad I bought this 1643 when I did. I just wish I was able to buy a 1660 before they were discontinued, too.

 

[davesl708]

I'm confused. Everything I see is that Massey is considerably expanding their dealership efforts . . . Especially related to Massey's smaller tractors.

Here's just one example: in late 2013 many kubota dealers in WI and MN became Massey dealers as well as continuing their Kubota dealerships. Prior to that time I'd never seen a Massey GC2400 or Gc2600 etc.. Suddenly all these dealerships now had GC1700 product. And because the GC2400 and gc2600 are compatible for service and most every part . . anyone with a GC2400 or GC2600 gained huge quantities of service locations and parts access including implements etc..

Now I've heard the Massey dealer expansion is also quite active for small tractors in many other states too . . but I've not seen it with my own eyes like I have in a dozen dealerships here.

Massey invested heavily into developing their 1700 series cut tractors with several frame sizes and a huge spread of small to mid sized hp engines. And the GC expansion assures a GREATER presence not a smaller one and much wider parts availability . . not less.

Iseki engines and tractor building has a 30+ year history of Massey positives and quality. Kubota, Iseki, and Yanmar are the engine and tractor design and build best imo.

And have you noticed how Massey's changes have increased U.S manufacturing. Just as one of many changes . . The new Massey DL95 front end loader . . Is made in the u.s.. And they also make 4 other loaders for the larger cut tractor products too . . again all U.S. made.

With all that they should not be having trouble supplying parts.