It was great to take my wife out to eat and a little shopping for her and come back to some wonderful replies. I also talked her into going by the John Deere Dealer and Kubota dealer, so I could look at both the 4720 and 5030 at night with lights, in 20 degree F, you know I have tractor disease bad, is it cureable. I've been that way on every piece of equipment I've ever bought, which has been several, just like a kid with no brains. Thanks Tree Guy, for all your comparisons, I have looked and ran thru many of the same things 3 or 4 times, its really nice to get to know some of you. I'm going again Monday to drive each one at least thiry minutes to one hour each, when it doubt whip it out and keep test driving. I did also notice tonight, that the deere loader innerlocks with a solid square bar with hooks underneath the front weight bumper. Tree Tarzan, just because the 4720 has a larger tank do you feel it is that much more fuel ineffecient. I felt it was probably close to the same. I did like what you had to state about the turbo, in years past research the turbo can be more maintenance and when you run the tractor hard, it is important to let it cool down, but you have to know most individuals don't do that. I asked my wife which one she would like for X-MAS. and she laughed and said she didn't care, get what I wanted. I asked which one she liked and she said she would buy the certain one because of the color. Everyone needs a good women Have a great day tomorrow, thanks Chase P.S. Tree man, where is your joystick located for the loader in the cab, the joystick is located in a great place on the John Deere, on the right fender. The 5030 I have been testing with cab has no loader and the 4720 w cab has a loader, going to have a great day tomorrow and kick *&(*&(&$#@()*&