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TANDEM DISC HARROWS (REVISED)​

Tandem Disc Harrows and PTO powered Roto-tillers are soil mixing implements. Roto-tillers are more effective tilling implements for subcompact and compact tractors up to 2,300 pounds bare tractor weight, typified by the Kubota 'BX' and 'B' series.

Disc Harrows come in numerous types. However, for 25-horsepower to 60-horsepower tractors the three point hitch mounted, Tandem Disc Harrow, secondary tillage implement, is ubiquitous.

Tandem Disc Harrows are manufactured in two structural types: angle-iron frame and Box Frame. Box Frame Disc Harrows are stronger, heavier, have greater adjustability of the gang angles and, having welded frames, are not prone to working loose like angle-iron frame Disc Harrows. If the budget allows, purchase a Box Frame Disc Harrow.

Good soil mixing requires Disc Harrow weight of 40 pounds bearing on each Disc Harrow pan, which arrives with pans at least 18" in diameter. Even with 40 pounds bearing on each pan, several passes over the land may be required to mix/till soil 6" deep.

February 28, 2013 I took delivery of a Howse*, box-frame, Tandem Disc Harrow, Model DLHT16822B. The dealer, from who I bought my tractor, recommended the Howse DLHT. At the time I was researching Disc Harrows from Land Pride, Everything Attachments (ETA), TSC/Countyline and Monroe Tufline.

Howse describes the DLHT series as MEDIUM DUTY. Howse DLHT is a 16/18 Disc Harrow, meaning 16 discs, each 18" in diameter, spaced 9-1/2" apart. It cuts a swath nominally 5'-6" in width, adjustable by sliding the disc hangers in or out. The Howse DLHT16822B weighs 587 pounds. It has a 1" axle on sealed flange bearings. (There is a T-B-N consensus that to cut vegetation Disc Harrows should have 40+ pounds weighting each disc. My Howse has 37 pounds weight per disc; except when tilling optimally moist soil I wish for more weight.)

My primary Disc Harrow objectives involve CUTTING; opening new game feed plots, maintaining vegetation free fire breaks and vegetation control along woodland trails. Harrow weight on 16 discs, rather than 20 discs, puts more cutting weight on each disc. Spacing between discs is 9". If you have rocky soil, 9" disc spacing will collect fewer rocks.

Tractor users with SMOOTHING (plow furrows) as their priority may consider the 20/18 or 20/20 configuration. Both have 7-1/2" spacing between discs.

Disc Harrows are available with two types of discs: notched and smooth. Notched discs cut pasture grass and crop stubble better; in open soil notched blades jerk out trash, meaning vines and tree roots, which sporadically stick in the notches. Smooth discs roll over some vegetation that notched discs cut through.

Standard configuration for Howse Disc Harrows is notched discs front, notched discs rear.

((Synonyms for individual discs: wheels or pans.))

Discs for compact tractor harrows come in 16"-18"-20"-22 diameter. Subcompact tractor owners will be better served by a PTO powered Roto-tiller rather than a Disc Harrow. Compact, 4-WD tractors with a bare weight of 2,700 pounds can handle 18" diameter notched discs. Tractors with bare weight of 3,500 pounds can handle heavier 20" discs; tractors with a bare weight of 4,500 pounds may opt for 22" discs. Weight is your friend.

Issues with disc diameter are concavity, wear, harrow weight and clearance lift. Smaller diameter discs generally have less concavity (less "float") than larger discs, so they theoretically penetrate easier; smaller discs are thinner/sharper than larger diameter discs. Larger diameter discs generally have greater concavity, so move more soil laterally. Larger diameter, thicker discs wear longer before requiring replacement. Larger diameter, thicker discs add to harrow weight, which offsets "float", improving penetration.

Replacement 18 inch discs are available in 3mm, 3.5mm, and 4mm thickness. Replacement 20 inch discs are available in 3.5mm, 4mm, 4.5mm, 4.76mm, 5mm and 6.35mm thickness. As shown, diameters and thickness overlap. Thicker discs are heavier. (Agri-Supply offers 516 individual disc types on its web site.)

Discs of larger diameter require more lift from the three point hitch. Clearance can be an issue when crossing ditches, rough ground and loading or unloading a tractor mounted Disc Harrow from a trailer.

The three point hitch Top Link is used to adjust relative front/rear gang pressure on soil. Shorter Top Link, more soil pressure from front gang. Longer Top Link: more soil pressure from rear gang. When pulled at a good pace the front gang flings soil outward, the wider rear gang flings soil inward. I use my Disc Harrow for dirt road maintenance, with Top Link adjusted long so soil is collected from high road edges and thrown inward.

Some increase in pan penetration can be achieved by shortening the 3-Pt. Top Link until the rear gang is raised into the air, transferring rear gang weight to the front gang. This can be helpful penetrating vegetation on the first pass across a field.

My Howse has a dropped double clevis (two "ears") to receive draw pins. A dropped clevis is desirable on a Disc Harrow for an 25-60 horsepower tractor; it allows the 3-Pt. to lift the harrow earlier. Note Photo showing my Howse in the air. Minimum disc height above ground is 14-1/2", greater than 14" ground clearance of my B3300SU tractor. This is ideal.

I prefer a wide double clevis, which accepts separate draw pins, to protruding, bolt-on "open" draw pins. The double clevis provides a stronger tractor/harrow connection, which distributes draft strain. TSC/Countyline by Tarter, 84 Disc Harrow, suitable for a tractor larger than mine, has "open" draw pins protruding from the harrow frame; in a "normal", undropped position. The Land Pride DH1560/60 has dropped "open" draw pins. Wider Land Pride Disc Harrows have preferred double clevis standard.

The Howse, with its 3" wide, dropped, double clevis is the easiest implement I own to mount on the three point hitch.

Most 5'-6'-7' Disc Harrows provide gang angle adjustment via clamp plates and adjustment holes in the frame. Clamp plate adjustment is simple, strong and inexpensive to manufacture but time consuming to adjust in the field. While the need to change gang angles will vary by user, adjustment is NOT an everyday event for me.

My Howse has five adjustment holes in the frame per gang, some brands have four.

Clamp plate adjustment works via three through bolts/nuts per gang, clamping twinned upper and lower adjustment plates, which have a pair of rib guides on the top plate mirrored by a pair of rib guides on the bottom plate. To adjust one gang angle, the two outer bolts/nuts are loosened with a wrench, the center bolt, which passes through adjustment holes in the frame, is removed, then the gang is pulled and jiggled to line up holes in sliding adjustment plates with alternate holes in harrow frame, using gang length for leverage. The center bolt is replaced and all three bolts/nuts tightened with the wrench. Repeat for the second gang. {Loosening/replacing bolts/nuts is a 15 - 20 minute process.} I have applied wax lube to the harrow frame over which the adjustment plates slide. New, it adjusts easily. I understand with paint abrasion, rust, dust, deformity, etc., gang adjustment becomes harder. However, I will settle on a 'default' gang angle setting soon and only change gang angles occasionally thereafter.

Some TBN threads suggest substituting a 5" pin as a pivot, in lieu of the center bolt. With only a center pin, it seems possible the center support could "jump" the guides under load; stay with the center bolt and nut.

Three Disc Harrows could be accurately described as HEAVY DUTY in relation to compact tractors by design and by weight. All adjust gang angles easier than the common friction plate arrangement. If you will disc several soil types it is worth paying for quick adjustment.

Everything Attachment's ETA-XD-BF-DH-16-18 disc harrow weighs 686 pounds (43 pounds/disc) and is priced at $1554 delivered to Fanning Springs, North Florida. The ETA disc has two, long, gang adjustment screws, one adjusts each gang. I admired ETA screw-adjust disc at the 2012 Sunbelt Ag Expo in Georgia.

I have purchased several implements from ETA. I respect ETA's quality and excellent customer service.

Leinbach box-frame disc harrows use an identical screw adjustment.

Monroe Tufline's THE71618BF disc harrow (1-1/8" axle) weighs 670 pounds (42 pounds per disc) and was quoted at $2100, plus a local delivery charge. Tufline promotes lever adjustment of the gang angles. I researched the Tufline 'THE' discs on Tufline's very basic web site. I have not seen a Tufline with mine eyes but the Tufline brand enjoys an excellent reputation. Monroe Tufline makes a huge range of Harrows for CUTS through Big-Ag.

Brown Manufacturing Corp., Ozark, AL, produces the BDH-600-1620 Disc Harrow (1-1/8 axle), 6?4 width, 1095 pounds (68 pounds per disc!) with lever gang angle adjustment priced at $2535 FOB factory. I researched Brown's BDH Disc Harrow on Brown Manufacturing's web site.

Price is not the first priority when I purchase attachments. However, my Florida rock free, sandy-loam is not challenging to disc so I bought the Howse DLHT as adequate and a good value. I paid $950 delivered. (No sales tax in Florida on ag or forestry equipment.)

Pulling a Disc Harrow is high draft force work. Not only is the implement weight being pulled, but the discs are resisting passage through the soil, proportionate to gang angle adjustment. To optimize soil mixing a Disc Harrow must be pulled at a brisk pace.

I pull the Howse behind a Kubota B3300SU tractor/loader. ( 33-hp / 1,900 pounds bare tractor / 4-WD / 58" tire width ) Tractor and Howse 587- pound Disc Harrow are well paired.

The B3300SU is in HST/MED range pulling the Howse. In repeatedly cut soil, in which the Disc Harrow will sink deep, additional throttle is required to keep the B3300SU from bogging down. Infrequently, I need to lift the Harrow just a tad. Adjusting gang angles to a less aggressive setting will reduce draft force.

Disc Harrows are frequently used to prepare game food plots. For food plot preparation, where you will maneuver between trees and boulders and work on slopes, buy a disc no wider than your tractor's rear tires. Any wider and the tractor will pass through gaps but the disc will "hang up" and you will waste time extricating tractor+harrow combination, possibly banging up your tractor in the process. It is important to buy a heavy enough Tandem Disc Harrow, which is really a secondary tillage implement; it is rarely practical to make a second pass over food plot ground. Fortunately, plot seeds are eager germinators.

It is important to tighten the four axle nuts regularly on a new disc harrow; they loosen. If the four axle nuts are tightened regularly the entire gang assembly will settle-in eventually and thereafter axle nuts require tightening infrequently. If axle bolts are not kept tight, disc hubs and axles will work each other, ruining one or both.

A test for tightness involves "ringing" the discs with a mallet when the harrow is elevated. A loose disc will give off a flat tone.


*Howse declared bankruptcy, then liquidated, after this was written in 2014.


Photo #1 Howse DLHT 16822B

Photo #2, #3, #4 Clamp Plate adjustment of gang angles.

Photo #5 "Double Ear" dropped clevis.

Photo #6 Lift clearance.

Photo #7 Short Top Link, rear gang lifted, transfers additional weight to front gang.

Photo #8 Howse behind Kubota B3300SU.

Photo #9 Howse behind Kubota L3560
 

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Picture below shows ground tilled by my 16/18" Howse Disc Harrow pulled at a brisk pace.

The soil thrown out by the pair of sharply angled front gangs is clearly visible, as a lapping wave nearest the tractor. The little furrows are where the ouside pans of the rear gang picked up soil to throw inward.

Location is a firebreak surrounding a community burn pit which I maintain vegetation free.
 

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Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor - Successful Farming

‎09-22-2011
Re: Disc spacing

We have both a 9" and 7 1/2" spaced disk, both are older IH disks, so they are built similarly.

Wider spacing - goes deeper, pulls just a little easier for the depth you are going, doesn't plug. Usually with the wider spacing, you go with bigger blades. When ours wear down a bit, we sometimes move them to the narrow spacing disk. The disk itself is narrower, so the number of blades per gang is the same. Chops through heavier residue easier.

Better for going deep, and burying some stalks.



Narrower spacing - smoother seedbeds, doesn't make as big of clods if the ground is a little wet, cuts stalks into smaller pieces, but will plug sooner in heavy trash. In wet conditions you better be sure the scrapers are in A-1 shape, at least on our soils. One pass with it on bean ground leaves the ground as smooth as 2 passes with the 9" spaced one. However, in heavy cornstalks, and deep ridges, it is hard to get it down deep enough to chop the stalks in the bottom of the ridge all the way through in tough conditions.
 
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Have 8 acres of uneven and some areas rough hard as **** dirt. Discing, ripping, scraping, leveling out a few areas and moving dirt around. Building some width to an existing driveway among other small farming stuff.

Discing, ripping, and leveling moving dirt around will be the most use until itç—´ maintainable. Rototilling some smaller areas and of course lots of mowing.

As your ground is HARD plow it as the first step. A Moldboard Plow will loosen the soil for leveling and bring up micro-nutreints and incorporate them into top soil. You can buy a plow or have your eight acres plowed on contract. Ripping should not be necessary if you plow.

Disc Harrowing is the next step after plowing. Disc Harrow will knock down the deep plow furrows and commence leveling the ground. For use behind a 4-WD Deere 1070 I recommend a Disc with 20" diameter pans and a width of 84".

In the southern half of USA few would plow more often than once every ten years.
An ADEQUATELY HEAVY Disc Harrow is useful for soil preparation throughout the year.


Few with Disc Harrows adjust them after putting them to use. If you first process the field two or three times (depending on the weight bearing on each of your disc pans) to loosen ridges, then adjust gang angles less aggressively in increments, the disc may meet your leveling needs solo. ( In your case, plow.)

Moist soil will make your project go faster.

Adjust Top Link to vary disc weight distribution. Shorter = more weight on front gangs. Longer = more weight on rear gangs.

More weight on front disc gangs throws dirt OUT. Run down ridges.

More weight on rear/wider disc gangs gathers dirt IN. Straddle the swales.

The faster you disc the more dirt is moved.

As the field is smoothed, adjusted disc gang angles to progressively less aggressive angles.

As the field is smoothed, adjust Position Control so disc is in lighter contact with the soil.



Disc Harrows and PTO powered Rototillers are both soil mixers. No need to have both.
For the tasks you have enumerated, less PTO-rototilling, tractor weight should be your first consideration.
 
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A really informative post, Jeff. Thank you.
 
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I found what I believe to be a Massey #25 disc.

Would this be a good match to my NH TC45d hydrostatic?


New Holland TC45

2001 - 2003 Boomer TC Series
Compact Utility tractor
Next model: New Holland TC45A

Manufacturer: New HollandVariants:
TC45: base model
TC45D: deluxe

New Holland TC45 Engine:
Shibaura 2.2L 4-cyl diesel
New Holland TC45 Power:
Engine (gross): 45 hp [33.6 kW]
Gear PTO (claimed): 39.6 hp [29.5 kW]
Hydro PTO (claimed): 37.8 hp [28.2 kW]

Capacity:
Fuel: 13 gal [49.2 L]

3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: 1
Rear lift (at 24"/610mm): 2330 lbs [1056 kg]

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: independent
Rear RPM: 540

Dimensions
TC45 2WD Weight (shipping): 3,200 lbs [1451 kg]
TC45 4WD Weight (shipping): 3,349 lbs [1519 kg]
TC45D 4WD Weight (shipping): 3,417 lbs [1549 kg]
TC45D SuperSteer Weight (shipping): 3,586 lbs [1626 kg]
Wheelbase: 73.5 inches [186 cm]
SuperSteer Wheelbase: 81 inches [205 cm]
Length: 125.2 inches [318 cm]
SuperSteer Length: 129.6 inches [329 cm]
Width: 61.3 inches [155 cm]
Height (ROPS): 95 inches [241 cm]
Ground clearance: 14 inches [35 cm]
Front tread: 46.4 inches [117 cm]
Rear tread: 47.5 inches [120 cm]

Mechanical:
Chassis: 4x2 2WD
4x4 MFWD 4WD

Steering: hydrostatic power
Cab: Two-post ROPS.

Hydraulics:
Pump flow: 9.8 gpm [37.1 lpm]
Total flow: 14.9 gpm [56.4 lpm]
Steering flow: 5.1 gpm [19.3 lpm]

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If your MF TC45d has 4-WD it should pull an 8' width disc with 18" diameter pans fine.

The eight foot width with 20" diameter pans may be too much. Your TC25d may run out of traction/power with gang angles set aggessively or on second pass when soil is soft. Border line case.

The eight foot width with 22" diameter pans -- too much.

Bear in mind that I do not know your exact conditions.



What diameter are the pans and what is your pan spacing?

18" is about 37 pounds bearing on each pan. 20" pans 52 pounds bearing on each pan.

7" pan spacing has more float than deeper penetration 9" pan spacing.

Big differences in draft force resistance.

In terms tractor capability, tractor weight is the primary factor. 4-WD vs 2-WD and tractor horsepower are not unimportant, yet secondary, pulling a Disc Harrow.

In terms of the disc, the draft force (implement resistance) is proportional to pan diameter, pan spacing (7" or 9"), disc width, and gang angle adjustment.

Then there is your soil and soil moisture.......tire type, tire weight, tread sharpness.......



Your tractor weight and width is the same as my Kubota L3560.

Tire width is probably 64". So two disc widths choices are 72" and 84". 84" disc is 17% wider/heavier than 72" disc and will require about 17% greater tractor traction and power to pull with all pan diameters and all and pan spacing.



I'm kicking myself for not taking pictures of disc when I was there. I believe it's 9" spacing and 18"diameter pans. Thanks for your help. As far as weight goes, does leaving the loader and grapple on the front increase weight in a useful way relative to pulling a disc through soil?

FEL certainly increases tractor total weight, but FEL acts as counterbalance to your loaded rear tires, so combination when pulling a disc harrow may be neutral or somewhat helpful.

I remove my bucket for forward visibility when harrowing for an hour or two. I remove the entire FEL for forward visibility if I anticipate harrowing four hours or more.
 
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In this day of no till farming practices, mold board plowing is rarely done as is heavy discing unless it is ground that has not been farmed in many years. Erosion is now believed to cost as much or more nutrients as you gain by 6”-8” or deeper depth plowing. If your desire is vegetation control, consider rough cut mowers (bush hogging). If wanting food plots then consider light/shallow discing or perhaps light chisel plowing. If gardening then a PTO tiller but only for about 4-6” depth. Then consider a mulch covering of compost, grass and leave clippings. These types of coverings around plants will add much more nutrients than you will ever bring up by tilling deeper. Also they add topsoil as the break down over the years and slow the process of erosion.

While farming implements of yesteryears are sometimes fun to play with and dream about our childhoods, I have no desire to return to the mule plowing that my father did as a teen and young adult.
 
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Excellent information. I have a light disk, but my use is light duty. I'm not breaking any new ground; I have a well established large garden, and use the disk in the fall to chop up and turn over the plants. I leave it that way all winter...a bit of trash and rough ground. Then in the spring, another disking to chop up the dead plant material some more and then tilling to prepare the seedbed. You alluded to the point that you need to move at a brisk pace...that is a key point. The disk is designed to "throw" the dirt, and turn it over. For disks to work properly, you need have your speed up.
 
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I'm borrowing a howse angle iron frame disc from my neighbor. Just doing some light discing to put in some food plots for the fall.

I have a B2650 and was wondering how I should set my stabilizer bars (I think thats what they are called. Allow the lift arms to swing back and forth. Mine are the telescopic ones. They adjust with pins).

Should I pin them so the disc can't swing back and forth? Use the oval holes so there is some side to side motion?

Thanks in advance.
 
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I'm borrowing a howse angle iron frame disc from my neighbor.

I have a B2650 and was wondering how I should set my stabilizer bars?

Should I pin them so the disc can't swing back and forth? Use the oval holes so there is some side to side motion?

You want a little slop in the stabilizers, so if the disc pans collide with a subsurface obstruction the disc pans take the collision force first, partly by rolling over the obstruction at disc's discretion. Disc is relatively cheap and simple to repair relative to tractor Three Point Hitch.

If stabilizers are too loose, disc will yaw noticeably when raised with hydraulic control.


Time for you to enter your new Kubota B2650 in your T-B-N PROFILE.
 
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For most ground engaging implements you want a slight bit of free play in your lower 3ph arms at the lowered position. Not so much that the implement or lower arms can get into your rear tires but that the implement is free to shift a bit if it hits something solid. This will normally save abuse to your tractor usually to the pin connections of the lower arms on the tractor. Frequently these pins are mounted into cast and can crack with lots of abuse.
I mentioned a slight amount of slack in the stabilizers at the lowered position of lower arms. The geometry of the lower arm movement often means the tension of the stabilizers changes through the travel of them.
 
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I would start with maximum angle/set in the gangs and adjust the top link for optimal cutting with front gangs. Make multiple passes in several directions. Easier after a rain soaks in the ground and you can work it again. Not muddy but not too dry.

~~ YES ~~


To get compacted ground worked deeper, you need to plow it first.

The disk is a secondary tillage tool. It also helps to add some weight to the disk. I bolt steel plates that weigh about 200 pounds onto the upper frame of my 6.5 ft 3 point disk, which helps it cut deeper.
< 400 pounds? >

Compacted soil, like you are dealing with, needs to be plowed first. In the following years, you could probably get away with just the disk, especially if you add some weight to it.


An MX has a Category 2 class Three Point Hitch. If 200 - 400 pounds is owner added to a relatively light Category 1 class Disc Harrow you may over stress the frame and pull it to distortion or destruction. Once distorted the ability to adjust gang angles is lost. I discourage adding weight. Owner added weight is outside the stress parameters calculated by Disc Harrow designers.

Shorten the Top Link and adjust gang angles aggressively for penetration. If that does not do give the penetration you need, you have too light an implement.
 
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I'm in the market for a disc harrow. I had my heart set on an 8' pull-type, 22" pans x 24 pans coming in right about 2000lbs. 8' seems to be the narrowest tractor pull-type disc without going to a utv type which wouldn't make any sense. For those that have some experience with an L6060 or L5460 do you think this is feasible? or just too big/heavy? Do I need to start looking at HD 3pt discs and most likely add weight to get decent depth?

Purchased an L5460 hydro with a multitude of tasks to be done. I realize this is not a farming tractor but this is the only task on my long list where a bigger geared tractor obviously would've worked better. Tractor has r-4's loaded so tractor weight is right around 5500lbs plus loader.

My land is flat and soil is easily worked up, sandy so to say. Looking to work up approx 5-10 acres per year, starting with 5 acres virgin ground this spring. I'm not interested in purchasing any older discs as time for accessing and rebuilding is not something I have time for now. I also have a 6' tiller but cringe at moving at a snails pace. I know multiple passes will have to be done with a disc too.


Three Point Hitch mounted Tandem Disc Harrows have a significant proportion of implement weight supported by the tractor. This improves tractor traction. However, there is less pan weight bearing on the ground so pan penetration is less.

Drawbar attached articulating towed Tandem Disc Harrows have all pan weight on ground so they cut better, which may be an advantage or disadvantage. A towed Disc Harrow with same weight and pan spacing will exert significantly more draft resistance force to the tractor, while there is less weight on the tractor, meaning tractor is more likely to lose traction.

Drawbar attached articulating Disc Harrows follow the ground better than TPH Disc Harrows unitized with the tractor. Not an overly valuable trait harrowing flat ground.

A transport Disc Harrow with hydraulically adjustable wheel height will vary pan penetration.

I am dubious an open-station L5460 has enough weight to pull an 8' pull-type, 22" pans x 24 pans coming in right about 2000lbs more than one pass through a sandy field. However, all my experience has been with TPH mounted Tandem Disc Harrows.


Is there a reason you are reluctant to use a 3 X 12" = 36" wide or 3 X 14" = 52" wide moldboard plow for primary tillage?

Then a 1,200 pound Disc Harrow with 7-1/2" (+/-) pan spacing for secondary tillage"?

How deep is your top soil? You do not want to mix top soil with infertile subsoil.

How many total acres do you wish to process in yearly segments?


My L3560 and your L5460 are within 10% of identical bare tractor weight. I have air in L3560 rear tires, not liquid.


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I'm in the market for a disc harrow. My land is flat and soil is easily worked up, sandy so to say.

Consider an APP/Field Cultivator for 10"+ depth. You do not want to mix top soil with infertile subsoil.

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What is the spacing between pans on prospective Disc Harrow?

Nebrfarmr
Veteran Advisor - Successful Farming
‎09-22-2011
Re: Disc spacing

We have both a 9" and 7 1/2" spaced disk, both are older IH disks, so they are built similarly.

9" spacing - goes deeper, pulls just a little easier for the depth you are going, doesn't plug. Usually with the wider spacing, you go with bigger blades. Chops through heavier residue easier.

Better for going deep, and burying some stalks.


7-1/2" spacing - smoother seedbeds, doesn't make as big of clods if the ground is a little wet, cuts stalks into smaller pieces, but will plug sooner in heavy trash. In wet conditions you better be sure the scrapers are in A-1 shape, at least on our soils. One pass with it on bean ground leaves the ground as smooth as 2 passes with the 9" spaced one. However, in heavy cornstalks, and deep ridges, it is hard to get it down deep enough to chop the stalks in the bottom of the ridge all the way through in tough conditions.


jeff9366
1/31/2019
Disc/Pan Spacing

My primary Disc Harrow objectives involve CUTTING; opening new game feed plots, maintaining vegetation free fire breaks and vegetation control along woodland trails. Harrow weight on 16 discs, rather than 20 discs, puts more cutting weight on each disc. Spacing between discs is 9". If you have rocky soil, 9" disc spacing will collect fewer rocks.

Tractor users with SMOOTHING (plow furrows) as their priority may consider the 20/18 or 20/20 configuration. Both have 7-1/2" spacing between discs.

Disc Harrows are available with two types of discs: notched and smooth. Notched discs cut pasture grass and crop stubble better; in open soil notched blades jerk out trash, meaning vines and tree roots, which sporadically stick in the notches. Smooth discs roll over some vegetation that notched discs cut through.




"If you go all notched on all gangs the ground will loot ratty and clumpy."

While I am occasionally surprised by 'exceptions' on T-B-N, few disc harrows with pans of diameter 16" - 18" - 20" - 22" are available outfitted with anything but notched pans front and rear. All these relatively light discs struggle to cut unplowed ground and only the notches make cutting through feasible. (( Dirt Dog and Monroe Tufline offer discs with notched pans in front, smooth pans in the back. ))

Discs with 9" spacing between pans penetrate better than discs with 7" or 7-1/2" disc spacing. Less important than notched vs un-notched, but a factor. Less "float" with 9" pan spacing.

When pan diameter increase to 24" - 26" - 28" - 30" there is enough weight to cut through almost any grass. You need a Utility Class tractor (6,000 pounds bare weight) to pull these.


Box frame discs are adjustable. If you begin with aggressive gang settings, then reduce aggressive set with each succeeding pass, a disc harrow can leave a quite smooth field. For reasons beyond my understanding few on T-B-N seem to adjust their disc harrow gang angles.
 
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Monroe Tufline ~~ TPH Tandem Disc Harrow review:

 
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I have an older, much used, but still useful disk my mother in law gave us.. It is angle iron frame, non adjustable, about 5'6" wide. The last coat of paint on it was red.. None of this matters as it is useful and was cheap..

The big thing seems setting it up.. This was done on the garage floor, with the tires inflated to proper pressure, the top link adjusted so the disk was level.. The top link measurement, center to center of pins and this measurement painted on the disk frame for easy set up the second time.. The top link measurement plus the number on the 3pt control where it runs the best depth for our use.. As I remember it runs best at 4.0 on the 3pt control..

I mostly use it to prep ground for over seeding in our pastures.. It isn't critical work and doesn't have to run that deep.. In our ground this system works well..
 
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SirMatthewT wrote:

I'm looking to pick up a small tandem disk for a subcompact Massey-Ferguson GC 2300. Looking for opinions as to whether the 1,400 pound bare weight GC 2300 will reasonably handle a 5' disc or whether I should wait to find a 4 footer.


Disc Harrows behind subcompact tractors are suitable for preparing kitchen gardens with friable soil for seeding every year.

Measure the max spread of your GC2300 Three Point Hitch, Lower Links. Spread dimension is likely 20", like most SCUTs.
Most ( not all ) 5' Disc Harrows will have Lower Link pins spaced 26" apart.

A PTO-powered, forward tine rotation roto-tiller is a better soil mixing option behind a subcompact tractor.

VIDEO:


Behind a subcompact tractor, with its small wheels, the Disc Harrow and the tractor operator in the video would bounce around much more.


SPECIFICATIONS: XTreme Duty 48'' width Compact Tractor Angle Iron Disc Harrow

Weight with 12 X 16" diameter pans, as in video = 320 pounds.

320 pounds likely an absolutely max Disc Harrow load for a GC2300.
 
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12/27/2017 jmsmithy wrote:

I'm looking at buying new tandem disc harrow for my Kioti DK40SE HST primarily for approximately 20 acres of food plots. May also use to cut up some old logging roads, roundup them all, then resurface....

What is the difference between notched vs smooth discs?



Twenty acres is a LOT of food plots.

Notched discs will CUT and chop crop stubble and grass. Smooth discs are somewhat better for SMOOTHING minimally vegetated fields. Smooth discs have a a tendency to roll over vegetation that notched discs will penetrate. For Food Plots, unless you have a lot of rocks in your food plot soil, go with notched front, notched rear. If you get a disc with 50-60 pounds bearing on each disc you could go with notched front, smooth rear.

Generally speaking you want a minimum of 40 pounds harrow weight bearing on each disc. For opening 20 acres of food plots, 50-60 pounds per disk will open ground for eager germinating food plot seed in one pass. After seeding you need to cover or roll in the seed. ( In a field you can disc more than once at a 45 degree angle across first pass, in a food plot a second pass is rarely practical.)

Disc diameter and concavity influence total harrow weight, how far soil is thrown out and in, and how deep disc can sink on successive passes. I recommend 20" or 22" disc diameter on 1-1/8" axles, not 18", for your 4,000 pound tractor.

You could pull a 7' to 7'-6" disc harrow with 20" disc diameter in a field with no strain. But for food plots, where you will be maneuvering between trees and boulders and working on slopes, buy a disc 5' to 5'-6" in width. Anything wider and the tractor will pass through gaps but the disc will "hang up" and you will waste a lot of time extricating tractor+ harrow combination.

You need minimum of 5-horsepower per foot of disc width plus four wheel drive. Your Kioti has plenty of horsepower plus ample weight at 4,000 pounds.

You probably want a disc harrow with 9" spacing between the pans, rather than 7" spacing. Wider spacing will have less "float" and therefore cut better. Also, a little easier to clear vines from axles with wider spacing. (That said, EverythingAttachments.com offers interesting, HEAVY 20"-22"-24" Disc Harrows with 7" spacing.)

Consider the purchase of a CULTIPACKER to roll in your seed and help prevent erosion. Rolling twenty acres a CULTIPACKER will improve seed germination enough to pay for itself over five years.
 
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RE: Kubota L4701 tractor.
With 4x4 FEL loader could one fill front bucket with dirt to add weight, then pull a 900 pound Tandem Disc Harrow without rear wheel weights or liquid in tires ??


My L3560 has 35-horsepower. I have air in the tires yet pull the 900 pound disc fine in Florida sandy-loam, toggling between HST MED/High and HST MED/Low on the Grand L 'HST+' half step transmission, generally at 75% to 100% throttle.

The L4701 has 47-horsepower and is lighter. From experience I guesstimate supplemental weight on the rear tires will aid traction to apply the additional horsepower to the ground. You have to pull a Disc Harrow at a brisk clip for it to even the land properly.

While an FEL does add weight and dirt in the bucket adds more, FEL weight in front of the tractor leverages weight off the rear tires, negating some ( all? ) of the FEL weight bearing on rear tires. So FEL weight is neutral or negative to rear wheel traction.

Most with an SSQA bucket probably drop it for improved forward visibility when harrowing. I do. I once removed the entire FEL when preparing to harrow for several hours.

One can reduce the disc gang angles to reduce draft force resistance. One can raise the disc. One can lengthen the Top Link to shift more disc weight to the rear, smoothing gangs. But above draft force reduction adjustments reduce pan penetration of the soil.

Soils vary a lot. Soil moisture varies a lot. Tractor tire types and tread wear varies. Perhaps half of disc harrow users set their new disc aggressively, then never adjust the gang angles again. Too many variations to really answer your question with certainty.
 
 

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