R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks

   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #11  
I personally have the R4's on my tactor and have pulled plows, tillers, disks, and different tillage equipment and would agree the R1's would be superior, but I also do alot of loader work and would like to run across my lawn without much damage.
In your case I would go with the R4's and as others have said just wait till it drys up a little more before you get out in the dirt.
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #12  
Check the sizes (for VOLUME).
I think it is a rule of thumb that you can get about 50% more ballast liquid in the R4s.
How much that off-sets the traction advantage of R1s probably depends on your soil.
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #13  
Since you have 4WD, R-4's would work fine in your described application and would allow you to work over more delicate areas or pavement when necessary.
R-4's are a "compromise" tire. They work fairly well in most applications, but they are a compromise in most situations, too because they are either not giving enough traction or giving too much traction in others.

These topics are always entertaining. No matter what application is described, it always turns into a "mine is better than yours" battle. :rolleyes:
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #14  
These topics are always entertaining. No matter what application is described, it always turns into a "mine is better than yours" battle. :rolleyes:

Amen brother.

There's a reason R1s are called Ags. Virtually ALL the big agricultural tractors have them. You have to decide what will be your most important task and what you will spend the most time doing. If you are doing a significant amount of ground-engaging work AND you are NOT going to be finish mowing AND you don't mind some turf disruption I would DEFINATELY recommend R1s. If you are going to do box blade or FEL work a large amount of time R4s would be good. There's a reason they're call Industrials.;) Think of construction and dirt moving equipment.

I had seriously considered having R4s put on my tractor. But it would've required a whole new set of wheels and recalibrating the speedometer so I didn't do it. I thought I would be mostly mowing and doing FEL work. But now I am glad I have R1s because soon I am going to be getting into doing some plowing, disking, and tilling!:D

Hopefully this won't get like the snow plowing thread. "I have such and such tire so it's definately the best." It's really a matter of what your tasks will be and a little bit of preference.
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #15  
Hopefully this won't get like the snow plowing thread. "I have such and such tire so it's definately the best." It's really a matter of what your tasks will be and a little bit of preference.
No, its actually an issue of how near you want to approach a goal of always being able to move in the largest variety of conditions.

Footprint area is directly related to the pressure in the tires, so will be almost exactly the same when running the same tire pressures. Actually, pressure for pressure the industrial footprint will be smaller because of the stiffer carcass. The AG however, is much more likely to disturb the ground due to the more widely spaced intense pressure points caused by the aggressive cleating. This provides great traction on moderately unified soils like turf or tilled ground - also in deep snow. When they spin they self clean, maintaining traction as they dig to where they can get a better hold. The AGs have a longer footprint and are intended to be run softer. Their larger diameter offsets the wider profile of the Industrials and the more gradual curvature adds to traction, and also gives the advantage of being able to roll up and over obstacles more easily and with less of a bump.
The Industrials are somewhat superior on highly unified and very poorly unified bases such as hardpack and sand. At equal pressure there is more area of rubber actually touching the ground on hardpack and the stiff carcass stabilizes the tread resisting it folding over under high push load. On sand the relatively smooth tread pattern holds the sand down more uniformely than the AG, consolidating it as it pushes ahead. The Industrial traction advantage in these cases is small however. The real advantages are that its smoothness causes less marking on turf and, combined with the tuffer carcass, allows it to resist damage from sharp debris. These are also capable of, and intended to be run at higher pressure, giving greater load carry ability. If you are carrying heavy loads very far very much, and you will never need universally reliable traction, this leans you toward the industrials. If not, max pressure in the AGs will handle it while enabling you to apply significantly more force with your tractor. The AG setup gives more and wider tracking width adjustment to aid stability as well.

You will surely not be mowing your lawn with a L5740. The AGs will probably offer too many advantages elsewhere.
Whichever you get, it will probably be very new rubber - not really fully cured. The rubber will harden some and become tuffer over the 1st year or so. All of the cuts in my AGs on the 7520 occurred in the 1st summer season.
larry
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #16  
I have a brand new Montana with R4's. I am very happy with the traction and I would get them again.

My dad has a brand new Kubota L3400 with R4 and he swears at them. he would get R1 next time.

I think it really depends on the tire size and make; I find that my tires have a crisper edge (Titan tire) while the 'bota rubber seems a little rounded.

You can always put chains on. Nothing beats chains.
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #17  
I think we should get out the protractors, calipers and lasers to check all the tires out. Then we should take out our slide rules and using sequential binary math equations all done in scientific double blind sampling (of course), come to a final answer on which tire is better :D

:rolleyes:
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #18  
I think we should get out the protractors, calipers and lasers to check all the tires out. Then we should take out our slide rules and using sequential binary math equations all done in scientific double blind sampling (of course), come to a final answer on which tire is better :D

:rolleyes:


Naw: let's just fuss and argue.;):rolleyes:
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #19  
horses for courses. I don't think either is "better" but one may be better for what you do.

I have r4s. happy with them, got them again. I'll pretty much never pull a plow - that sort of thing is a rototiller for me, which is not nearly so tractor dependent.

THere's a reason you see r1s on most to all ag tractors. and a reason you see r4s on most to all TLBs. And turfs on golf courses....

Now what I'm really wondering is how turfs + chains compare to R4s...
 
   / R4 Industrial Tires-Plowing / Disking / Ploughing / Ground Engaging Tasks #20  
Can you add chains to R4 tires to help them getting better traction in wet / muddy conditions? Will is tear up the tires? Anything else that you could put on R4s to improve traction?
 

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