Brush Cutter Died -- The Search For A New Motor

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SnowRidge

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About a month ago, my 48" brush cutter seized up. It was running fine, squealed for about two seconds, then locked solid.

I have always thought the design of this model with the motor bolted directly to the deck was suspect. Unlike the older variety, there is no Lovejoy coupler to temper the impact shocks from the cutter. On the model I have, they are absorbed directly by the motor. The cutter only had a couple of hundred hours on it. Most of those were cutting tall grass. It only had about five hours of brush cutting. This was a failure that shouldn't have happened.

The first thing I had to do was identify the motor. Power Trac had thoughtfully painted over all the identifying information on the motor. :mad:

I figured I should be able to find out who made in in a couple of hours of web time. It took me two days. It was made in Bulgaria by M+S Hydraulic and labeled for and sold by RR USA Inc. It was not comforting to find out that M+S Hydraulic was founded as a state owned enterprise back when the communists ran the country. Of course neither M+S Hydraulic nor RR USA have service information on their web sites, unlike Parker, Eaton, et al. Thank you Power Trac.

I called one of the few distributors listed by RR USA. As I expected, I got a "Yeah, we handle those, but we don't stock any of them or have any parts, but we can order some for you."

He got back to me a couple of days later. $850 for a motor and $86 for just the seal kit, plus freight. Whatever replacement parts were needed would be extra. :eek: The whole cutter only cost $900 brand new.

I called Power Trac. They wanted almost $500 for the motor. This may the first time that Power Trac has ever been cheaper on parts, but it was still too much, as far as I was concerned. I decided to try and find a name brand replacement.

After a lot of browsing PDF catalogs and much web surfing, I decided to try a Parker TJ series motor, which turned out to be a bit difficult to find. I expected to be able to order any Parker product from Precision Fluid Power, but they could not get the TJ series for some reason. Nor could a couple of other suppliers I tried. Finally, I found them at Hydraulic House in Orlando. Best of all, Hydraulic House is a discounter.

Of course, they don't actually keep them in stock. It seems that they are a build to order product with a ten or twelve business day lead time, depending on whether you want the motor painted or naked. I went with the bare metal in order to get it sooner.

The motor was built in Greeneville, TN, which is more or less right up the road, and a whole lot closer than Bulgaria, if I ever need parts. It fits perfectly. The total price including shipping was $350.56.

The full part number is TJ0050US080AAAAB.

The picture shows the motor after I came back from testing it in some really tall grass. It worked fine.
 

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So all your bolt holes, fittings, etc... were exact size? Very good! :)
 
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Yes, it is a drop in replacement, with specs that are almost identical to the original. The mounting, fittings, and shaft are all the same.

I found another model, an Eaton if I recall correctly, that I almost ordered. At the last minute, I realized I had not checked the nose diameter. It turned out to be a 1/4 inch or so too large.

These are 50 cc wheel motors, and they appear to be a relatively rare animal. A couple of makers have motors that would physically fit, but are of a larger discplacement. That means they would turn slower, and I felt that they probably wouldn't cut as well.

BTW Moss, if you ever need a motor for your "old style" cutter, you shouldn't have any trouble. The woods are full of those, for a lot less money, too. :cool:

Alas, they won't work on the new models. Again, thank you Power Trac. :mad:
 
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Well, you have had a couple of weeks haven't you? Congratulations on getting all of the repairs done.

Did you add a Lovejoy coupler, or did you leave the design as is?

I hope that I get more than five or so hours of brush cutting. That would put me on borrowed time already.

Thanks for the information!

All the best,

Peter
 
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Thank you.

No, I did not change the design. If I had the time, I would have done so. Motors for the old style 48" cutters only run about $200, and there are at least three brands that have directly interchangeable models, so parts wouldn't have been an issue.

I just didn't have the time to do all the design and fabrication work it would have required, and I needed the cutter back in service ASAP.
 
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Wow! That is some difference in price. One would have thought that wholesale, the 'old' design would have been cheaper for PT to build, which makes one wonder why they went to the new design.

Thanks again for all of the information.

All the best,

Peter

No, I did not change the design. If I had the time, I would have done so. Motors for the old style 48" cutters only run about $200, and there are at least three brands that have directly interchangeable models, so parts wouldn't have been an issue.

I just didn't have the time to do all the design and fabrication work it would have required, and I needed the cutter back in service ASAP.
 
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I forgot to mention this in my original post.

In researching the original motor, I came across the fact that M+S specifies mineral based hydraulic fluid only. Synthetic hydraulic fluid requires built to order motors with special seals, at extra cost, presumably.

Anyone want to take odds on whether or not Power Trac paid extra to get the special seals? :rolleyes:

What's in your hydraulic tank?
 
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Shell Rotella motor oil, courtesy of PT.

By the way, I put several strong magnets on my hydraulic filter to pick up metallic trash. An old car of mine used to have a magnet on the drain plug, which always had some debris on it, and I thought it was a good idea.

On my latest filter change (100hr), I let the filter drain into a white pan to see how much magnetic material had been retained. When the filter drained, the oil looked black, but on standing, it all settled out. All of the black bits that you see in the photo are magnetic, i.e. pieces of metal that would have been circulating through the wheel motors.

YMMV...

All the best,

Peter

I forgot to mention this in my original post.

In researching the original motor, I came across the fact that M+S specifies mineral based hydraulic fluid only. Synthetic hydraulic fluid requires built to order motors with special seals, at extra cost, presumably.

Anyone want to take odds on whether or not Power Trac paid extra to get the special seals? :rolleyes:

What's in your hydraulic tank?
 

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I am thinking that Pt uses something that is readily available like motor oil. Even synthetic oils are not 100% synthetic. They usually have some mineral oil in there. If it were all synthetic, it would be even more expensive. I think synthetic oils would be just as good or better in some situations.
 
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The manufacturer, M+S Hydraulic (labeled RRUSA), of the 48 inch brush cutter motors mounted directly on the deck says not to use synthetic oil in their stock products.

PT uses multi-weight motor oil in their hydraulic systems. Some people with the gas powered PTs that use this particular brush cutter have switched to synthetic hydraulic fluid or synthetic motor oil in their machine's hydraulic system.

The warning is for those folks, since they are likely to be unaware of the requirement not to use synthetic fluid in that brand of hydraulic motor.
 

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