Security & Theft Securing tractor from theft

[Kendrick]

Exactly.. 2000-3000$ of space age notification and satalite tracking and super-human prevention methods start tipping the practicality way over the line..

soundguy

with simple electronics abilitys ie soldering. mine could be put together for about 300$ maybe less. 2 400 mhz transmitters would be the most expensive things going at about 50$ a set. if you wanted the super package a trackphone guts with activation would be 150$ and 40$ a year for the trackphone year card additional.

 

[Soundguy]

How far / what power on those 400mhz xmitters?

licensing requirements?

soundguy

 

[gemini5362]

with simple electronics abilitys ie soldering. mine could be put together for about 300$ maybe less. 2 400 mhz transmitters would be the most expensive things going at about 50$ a set. if you wanted the super package a trackphone guts with activation would be 150$ and 40$ a year for the trackphone year card additional.

I believe I have simple soldering ability and know a smattering of electronics. What kind of circuit are you talking about.

I also get the impression that you are talking about modifying the tracphone since you mentioned tracphone guts. Would you elaborate more on what you are suggesting would work ?

 

[2manyrocks]

Just to say what should be obvious that spring guns, booby traps, etc. could get you sued for civil damages and there could be possible criminal prosecution, too. Maybe it's different in some parts of the US, but here deadly force can't be used to protect property--it can only be used to protect lives.

Then there is also the risk that some neighbor's kid thinks it would be fun to climb on that shiny tractor......then you'll wish you hadn't set the trap.

So make it inoperable, put aluminum foil on it to be monitored by space aliens or what have you.

 

[Soundguy]

I know of some cases where deadly force can be used to protect property.. but never via booby trap.. that's the catch.. etc.

Heck.. in many states, 'deadly' force can be used to prevent a forcible felony.. etc... just got to follow the rules... and no booby traps.

Soundugy

Just to say what should be obvious that spring guns, booby traps, etc. could get you sued for civil damages and there could be possible criminal prosecution, too. Maybe it's different in some parts of the US, but here deadly force can't be used to protect property--it can only be used to protect lives.

Then there is also the risk that some neighbor's kid thinks it would be fun to climb on that shiny tractor......then you'll wish you hadn't set the trap.

So make it inoperable, put aluminum foil on it to be monitored by space aliens or what have you.

 

[patrick_g]

... if you wanted the super packat together for about 300$ maybe less. ge a trackphone guts with activation would be 150$ and 40$ a year for the trackphone year card additional.

The cell phone backup on our alarm system required no front end costs and is $5/month with no other charges. It self tests periodically.

Pat

 

[2manyrocks]

I estimate legal defense costs between $50,000 and $100,000 for the opportunity to find out if a jury agrees that your defense of your tractor with deadly force or bodily harm was justified. Since criminal defense costs are not typically covered by insurance coverage, the costs would come from your pocket. If you can show enough poverty for the court to appoint a lawyer, he's probably going to get paid at a rate of about 1/3 of what a private paying client would pay, and what level of defense do you suppose that buys?

Think about the risks of putting your freedom and assets in the hands of any jury and the cost of defending yourself.

 

[Soundguy]

I think you are on a bit of a tangent.

If I'm robbed, and the criminal gets injured.. it's not automatically my nads on the chopping block.

Well.. it may be in some communists states.. however.. there are some states where the victom actually has rights...

I'm not a lawyer.. don't play one on TV, and havn't been to a holiday in express since easter.

I don't want to take this thread about securing a tractor down a leagl tangent involving dispatching a criminal..

I'd be glad to continue discussing ways to keep your tractor in your ownership.. but as far as the legal portion of the thread. I'll leave any further comments orphaned with no further discussion .

soundguy

I estimate legal defense costs between $50,000 and $100,000 for the opportunity to find out if a jury agrees that your defense of your tractor with deadly force or bodily harm was justified. Since criminal defense costs are not typically covered by insurance coverage, the costs would come from your pocket. If you can show enough poverty for the court to appoint a lawyer, he's probably going to get paid at a rate of about 1/3 of what a private paying client would pay, and what level of defense do you suppose that buys?

Think about the risks of putting your freedom and assets in the hands of any jury and the cost of defending yourself.

 

[patrick_g]

I think you are on a bit of a tangent.

If I'm robbed, and the criminal gets injured.. it's not automatically my nads on the chopping block.

Well.. it may be in some communists states.. however.. there are some states where the victom actually has rights...


soundguy

In Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas and other "FREE" states if during a confrontation with a would be thief the thief assaults you (don't they always???) and fearing for your life you defend yourself with deadly force there just isn't much of a problem for the intended victim (now survivor.)

If you defend yourself properly , as taught in the state lisc concealed carry classes and the result is the attackers death, oh well. All the classes I know about teach a double tap to the center of mass to stop the threat with follow up shots if the attack hasn't been stopped. Two shots to the center of mass have a good chance of being lethal with any gun worth carrying.

Alarms can be reasonably designed such that they are virtually impossible to be defeated. They work on the idea of periodically sending a signal that they are OK. If the signal stops being sent, such as the bad guy shoots the electronics box, hits it with a sledge, or whatever that sets of the alarm condition. Whether or not the response to the alarm condition is adequate in either arrival time or force is a separate issue.

A remotely located tractor (and many not so remotely located) is/are subject to theft, irrespective of the alarm system, taking the wheels off, removing the steering wheel, secret switches and or valves to disable fuel or electronics. So long as the thief has an adequate tilt up trailer and sufficient physical access virtually any equipment can be taken rather quickly and easily. Starting and or driving the tractor is NOT required.

If your tractor is harder to take than most in the surrounding area it is less likely to be taken but that is no guarantee.

RF links are pretty cheap and reliable and can be easily used to construct the "I'm OK sort of system that is virtually impossible to defeat if your tractor is parked within radio range of "civilization (or your residence or...)"

For many folks, insurance is as cheap or cheaper than a decent alarm.

Pat

 

[KevPH1]

How about "Lo-Jack"?