Kioti Vs Bobcat loader update

JoelD · Nov 6, 2008

Thanks Rick,

Would it be a bad thing for you to sell the bobcat tagged version rather than the kioti tagged version?

I have no idea how any of that works.

Oh yeah, Gotta get my "looking forward to the cookout next year" plug in.

Slackdaddy · Nov 6, 2008

Price aside (have seen Bobcat lower, have seen Kioti lower),
Problem with the Bobcat version is the loader, a weaker loader according to Rhino, AND you can only use a Rhino backhoe/subframe with the Bocat.
Was on the phone with Woods, they do not make (not in the works either), a subframe kit for the Rhino "loadered" Bobcat kioti's.

Nick

bluechip · Nov 7, 2008

According to my Kioti TM, the Bobcat venture is totally independent and does not involve KIOTI USA in any way, so Bobcat deals direct with Daedong in Korea. Thier parts support is totally independent of KIOTIs. If so, we should never see a white daedong at Kioti's warehouse in NC. I was not aware that Bobcat was setting up tractor dealers to sell these units and that is disapointing news. In this day and age, there seem to manufacturers and then there are marketing companies that pose as manufacturers. More and more of the compact tractor business is being done by the later. Daedong owns 100% of KIOTI, so there is common ownership at least of the manufacturer and the marketing company. I wonder if Bobcat is still manufacturing anything or just marketing Doosan and Daedong products.

With an oversupply of "manufacturers" and a shortage of good dealers, it would seem that good dealers will be what would be marketed and sought by the consumer, and tractors will become almost generic, with dealers selling multiple lines of competing tractors, like a supermarket. Then the manufacturers will have to compete for the DEALERS business.

JoelD · Nov 7, 2008

bluechip said:
According to my Kioti TM, the Bobcat venture is totally independent and does not involve KIOTI USA in any way, so Bobcat deals direct with Daedong in Korea. Thier parts support is totally independent of KIOTIs. If so, we should never see a white daedong at Kioti's warehouse in NC. I was not aware that Bobcat was setting up tractor dealers to sell these units and that is disapointing news. In this day and age, there seem to manufacturers and then there are marketing companies that pose as manufacturers. More and more of the compact tractor business is being done by the later. Daedong owns 100% of KIOTI, so there is common ownership at least of the manufacturer and the marketing company. I wonder if Bobcat is still manufacturing anything or just marketing Doosan and Daedong products.

With an oversupply of "manufacturers" and a shortage of good dealers, it would seem that good dealers will be what would be marketed and sought by the consumer, and tractors will become almost generic, with dealers selling multiple lines of competing tractors, like a supermarket. Then the manufacturers will have to compete for the DEALERS business.

Well put, didn't realize the difference, but clear based on what you've written. As a customer, dealer support is key, as that is where the rubber meets the road for most of us. I bought my machine used locally, I found rick on this site. I called him, he answered a bunch of questions. I purchase all my parts from him (even though I pay shipping) as a result of his help. I also purchase attachments from him, even though I need to drive a couple hundred miles to pick up. Would rather give my money to someone who is very helpful and a wealth of easily shared information. I am confident we are coming back to a time where customer service is as important if not more important than price paid, particularly for machines like these.

Joel