Gear drive vs hydro

[Soundguy]

I was frugal and smart and lucky. I got exactly what I wanted, exactly what I needed, for the money I had available and I'm totally happy with it, after three years of hard use and its been paid off for 2 years. Now, you can decide which of those is frugal, smart or lucky..

I think he's refering to the fact that I not only bought used and good mechanical condition.. but also found a unit that had a cosmetic defect that further lowered it's price.. plus that I bought a size/class of unit that was in less of a demand and thus took a substantial deprecation hit from the person trading it.. all factoring out that I got alot of 2wd gear driven hp that was 2ys old and for all intents and purposes. and out 33% cheaper than it was when it had been new.. IE.. 700 hrs of use and a bent fender shaved about 10 grand off the 7610s I bought.. worked for me though!

Should i mention that I actually had about 1-2 monts of warranty left on the machine when i bought it.. I figured I'd run the snot out of it for the 1st month to find any hidden defects i could!.. I lucked out and it has been a decent machine though..

soundguy

 

[patrick_g]

William, this thread is definitely an endless argument.

The arguments go like this.

Gearheads - I can put more power to the ground than a hydro.
Hydro - the power loss is so insignificant that either one will be evenly matched pulling the same implements.

Ahh the fantasy gearhead -hydro conversation. Absolutely priceless! In my opinion one of the best posts on this topic since it "took off."

More insight displayed than any dozen " 'tis-'taint" series of exchanges, ego displays, or ad hominems.

Great stuff!!!

Pat

 

[patrick_g]

1. As others have mentioned when hooking up BH etc. with tractor running I can carefully push the HST pedal while standing beside the tractor to move tractor a inch or 2.
Have a good one..
Chuck.

My tractor salesman demonstrated this technique to me when we were attaching an implement before I took delivery of the tractor. He suggested when hitching an implement to set the parking brake only secure enough to keep the tractor still but not so hard that with the HST in low range you couldn't jog it forward or back by reaching in and pressing the HST pedal. This is a super convenience.

I have broken several 2x6 boards as prybars trying to move an implement a tad to hitch it. Being able to move a half inch so easily from outside the cab has been a real help.

Pat

 

[Soundguy]

I have broken several 2x6 boards as prybars trying to move an implement a tad to hitch it. Being able to move a half inch so easily from outside the cab has been a real help.

Pat

Wow... I'd quit buying the chinese 2x6's... I've used a 2x4 #2 white board to scotch a 10' mower before... with a 2x6 I probably could have rolled my ford 5000 forward. In the end.. after trying to scotch a 2500# implement.. I simple learned where to backup to... on subsequent trips.

soundguy

 

[WilliamBos]

Run a larger implement. If we are talking a pto gen. and the load rating of the gen is needed, and the tractor pto hp matches the gen's input for load.. then the smaler hst tractor ' Can't ' do it.

same with other ideas.. IE.. implements right on the edge of go vs no go.. a larger tractor may run them safely.. but not the slightly smaller tractor..

soundguy

I was quoting what you said on the smaller hst tractor.

I stand by my point, equal PTO HP and there is NO advantage to a gear tractor. NONE what so ever over a HST when talking equal PTO HP vs PTO HP.

 

[tallyho8]

This is THE reason, in my opinion, for the 0% financing deals. Its to keep people from buying good condition used machines. and if you do the math, it works.

I have to disagree with you here. While 0% financing sounds great, there is nothing in life that is free. When I got my Kubota I could get either 0% financing or a nice rebate but not both. When you are negotiating selling price with the dealer, you can almost always negotiate a lower price if you are not getting the 0% loan. You do wind up paying for getting a 0% loan but it is in hidden costs like a higher price or no rebate.

But, you are right that the reason is to keep people from buying good condition used machines among other reasons, but this is because most people do not consider the hidden costs.

Auto dealers frequently use the same type selling tactics when offering you $2000 more trade-in on your old car than it is worth. Many people jump at the chance to get more for their old car than it is worth, not realizing that they could get $2000 off the price of the car if they negotiated with no trade in.

 

[dfkrug]

I did not use the backhoe to push the tractor forward. I used the pvc pipe instead to push the HST pedal instead, for me it worked better than pushing with the hoe.
So I am not real sure of the answere here. IF I where going to use the BH to push it foreward I would put the HST in neutral beings the HST typically does not roll very easily.

That is the way I do it, too. (Use a stick to operate HST pedal from hoe
seat.) With my previous gear tractors, I would use the hoe to move fwd
and rev, after lifting the FEL bkt. With the HST, you have the self-braking
action if you keep it in gear. I find that to be much safer when inching
fwd or back, esp on slopes. With the HST, you do not have to use the
FEL bkt as a anchor, either, but you still may want to.

 

[Reg]

That is the way I do it, too. (Use a stick to operate HST pedal from hoe
seat.) With my previous gear tractors, I would use the hoe to move fwd
and rev, after lifting the FEL bkt. With the HST, you have the self-braking
action if you keep it in gear. I find that to be much safer when inching
fwd or back, esp on slopes. With the HST, you do not have to use the
FEL bkt as a anchor, either, but you still may want to.

Well, I suppose if I was THAT much off when backing to hook up an implement I would put the bucket to dump and get it's edge about vertical, then put a bit of weight on it and leave the tractor in (REAL)neutral, brakes off.
A little feathered curl/dump action would probably move it whatever fractions of an inch I needed.

Oh dear me NO ! Mary.
No WAY would I do that on the polished hardwood floor in the air conditioned garage.
Only in the dirt.

 

[jake98]

Sumauguys may haven't had backhoe exp before getting the hst. If you're stuck and have both hoe and loader, you can uncurl and pull with the dipper... save the pvc...

 

[jake98]

[QUOTE=HST, you have the self-braking
action if you keep it in gear. I find that to be much safer

I think you're talking about creeping. Not any breaking action. It'll go slow all the way down to the neighbor's. In my next life I'm comming back here as 'HydroCreep'.

Jake