Got Ambushed Last Night and Shot!
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horse7
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If the police reports ever go completely online, everyone will think there is a huge crime wave even if nothing has changed other than visibility to the (public) records.
A side effect with be that any mistakes made when you are young will haunt you even more later on. I've seen college students cop a plea on weed possession (relatively small fine if it is only a local court item) but I'm thinking, hope you don't need a security clearance in 10 years...
A side effect with be that any mistakes made when you are young will haunt you even more later on. I've seen college students cop a plea on weed possession (relatively small fine if it is only a local court item) but I'm thinking, hope you don't need a security clearance in 10 years...
skargo
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You can get security clearance, even if you "cop a plea on weed possession." I know someone with clearance who sold drugs when he was younger. The important thing is to be honest.
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I have a friend with a girfriend who had a domestic dispute with her ex husband 10ys ago. she was pregnant, he attacked her, she hit him. when the cops got there.. he was the only one with a mark on him.. so they arrested her... she was released and the charges dropped the next day... no problem right? Fast forward till now, and she just got suspended from her new job a day before thanksgiving when her background check came back with the arrest on it. I'm not sure of the exact wording of her employee application.. but she seems to think it asked about convictions.. not arrests... go figure..
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gemini5362
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A lot of employment applications seem to ask for arrests instead of convictions. The reason behind that is convictions get expunged arrests dont. She is lucky she was not in arkansas and got convicted. If you have a domestic violence conviction in your record you almost cannot get a job. You cannot work as a CNA, anywhere in the police department, schools etc. If you plead guilty and get a deal that it will be expunged from your record that is done often depending on which judge it is. Some judges in my area will find a male guilty of that in a heart beat, even with no more evidence than the wife saying he did it. The typical deal that is made here is that you plead no lo contendre, the judge suspends imposition of sentencing for a year. If you are a good boy for that year and you jump through what ever hoops the judge has told you to he dismisses the case and it can be expunged from your record. Sounds like an easy way to cure a problem. Only thing is expungment just means it is put in a locked file. Several groups can open that file for employment application. Any work with the police or social services can do that. Then the other shoe drops. Even though it is expnunged if anyone asks have you been arrested and you say no ( You have never been convicted technically but you were arrested) Then you have lied on your application if you say no. If they find out that you have been arrested. If you say yes you have been and tell them why. Your chances of getting that job have probably gone out the window. It is a huge problem.
patrick_g
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In my previous employment I was subject to, in addition to random urinalysis, random polygraphic interrogation with different batteries of questions where one of the questions in the honesty and integrity battery which was ALWAYS asked was, "Have you ever lied to a person in a position of authority?"
Cursed with a good memory I had to always answer yes. They then go off-line, kill the recording devices (yeah right!) and you cop out to every instance you can recall. Yes this includes the time in Miss Murphy's 3rd grade finger painting class when Jojo threw a spitball at Maggie and when asked you said you didn't know who did it as well as the time you said, "Why no officer, I didn't know this was a 45 zone, I thought it was a 55 zone" or any such event.
The agents who recalled me from previous sessions used to hate having to ask because I could really recall OODLES AND OODLES of trivial little times I had lied to persons in a position of authority (No mama, I didn't take the last sugar cookie in the cookie jar)
Then they go back on-line and ask, "With the exception of the specific instances related off-line, have you ever lied to a person in a position of authority?" You can then get a clear chart. They do ask about drug use and myriad other lifestyle and other issues (especially after the Walker Spy Trials.) I knew certain aspects of some of my coworkers backgrounds and they passed the tests. I am definitely sure youthful pot smoking was not a deal breaker for some pretty highly rated clearances above Top Secret.
Funny, they never mentioned black helicopters!
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Cursed with a good memory I had to always answer yes. They then go off-line, kill the recording devices (yeah right!) and you cop out to every instance you can recall. Yes this includes the time in Miss Murphy's 3rd grade finger painting class when Jojo threw a spitball at Maggie and when asked you said you didn't know who did it as well as the time you said, "Why no officer, I didn't know this was a 45 zone, I thought it was a 55 zone" or any such event.
The agents who recalled me from previous sessions used to hate having to ask because I could really recall OODLES AND OODLES of trivial little times I had lied to persons in a position of authority (No mama, I didn't take the last sugar cookie in the cookie jar)
Then they go back on-line and ask, "With the exception of the specific instances related off-line, have you ever lied to a person in a position of authority?" You can then get a clear chart. They do ask about drug use and myriad other lifestyle and other issues (especially after the Walker Spy Trials.) I knew certain aspects of some of my coworkers backgrounds and they passed the tests. I am definitely sure youthful pot smoking was not a deal breaker for some pretty highly rated clearances above Top Secret.
Funny, they never mentioned black helicopters!
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I can't speak for her employment app.. but the ones we use here at work only ask about convictions. After all.. simply an arrest really means nothing other than you are in police custody. 'Police custody or control' has a whole range of meanings. AFAIK.. a traffic stop constitutes police control.. etc.
Even the 4473 ATF form for purchasing a firearm only deals with convictions or indictments. not just an arrest.
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Even the 4473 ATF form for purchasing a firearm only deals with convictions or indictments. not just an arrest.
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gemini5362
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What you say makes sense but I have seen the ones that ask, have ever been arrested. I agree that question is improper. One of the reasons that it is improper is because there is a presumed guilt in our society. If you are arrested then you are presumed guilty of something. Look at the security guard that saved all those people in Atlanta during the olympics. All he did was save a lot of lives when the police started talking about him being a suspect and arrested him the immediate presumption was that he was guilty.
redneckford
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BLACK---E HELICOPTERS!!!!!!
mudcat
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You could be President as long as you don't inhale!!!!!You can get security clearance, even if you "cop a plea on weed possession." I know someone with clearance who sold drugs when he was younger. The important thing is to be honest.
