Might buy a Yanmar and need help

   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #11  
I figured it was a typo, seems like you have put that info out more times than I can remember.


Mistakes happen to the best of us:D. I have a list of models that give specs of each tractor. Some over rate hp a little. If you look around you will find that some rate a 2000 at 22-23 hp while others rare them at 20 hp. My 3110 is rated by some at 31 hp while others say 28-30.My spec sheet rates my tractor at 35 hp:rolleyes:. I really don't think it's 35 hp. I guess it's just a close est. unless you hook up a devise to actually measure the hp
 
   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #12  
I just bought a book at T.S.C. called Compact Tractor Guide volume VI. It lists all compacts from AtoZ incl. all the Yanmar models listing h.p. etc.some of the models have est. retail price and list price.When you say new do you mean brand new ?if so I think cubcadet and yanmar merged . they have a website that shows the new tractors
 
   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help
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I just bought a book at T.S.C. called Compact Tractor Guide volume VI. It lists all compacts from AtoZ incl. all the Yanmar models listing h.p. etc.some of the models have est. retail price and list price.When you say new do you mean brand new ?if so I think cubcadet and yanmar merged . they have a website that shows the new tractors

Yes, new tractors. I think I can find that info on the net somewhere. Thanks
 
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Hoye is the sponser for the Yanmar Forum. Good folks to deal with. Only into parts though.

Bruce


Oops, sorry. Hoye seems to have a great site and most or all of the parts.
 
   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #15  
While they do have a great interactive website, most aftermarket dealers work from the same aftermarket parts book, us included.

OEM Yanmar parts distributors MAY sell parts for grey Yanmars, but if they do so they do so in violation of their contract with Yanmar....so that speaks volumes about their integrity.

Parts support for many grey models is far better than for most of the models originally sold domestically in the US. If you don't believe this, ask those OEM parts distributors who come here why they sell from the aftermarket parts catalog too. There are also far more grey models in the country than models originally sold domestically. We sell only grey models for which we know we have good parts support. MANY of the notorious recon machines go to auction; that is why the auction units are cheaper. We probably average 4-6 calls a month from "locals" who bought such a unit at auction around Columbus or London and found a major defect (most often a block or head crack) and now want a quick inexpensive fix. There isn't one. Additionally there is the issue that these units often have home workshop type repairs, and replacement parts sometimes don't fit because something has been altered. While not all of them are bad, they seem to have a major defect rate many times that of the rest of the market.

If you want a discussion about the new contract tractor made by Yanmar for Cub, read this THREAD. Parts availability, albeit aftermarket, for many grey models is far better than for most contract tractors in history. The early Shibaura made Fords, the Hinomoto made MFs and ACs, the Iseki made Whites, and now even the early Yanmar made JD models. Most of those contract tractors are more recent than the grey Yanmars we sell, but there is not enough demand for parts to attract the attention of aftermarket parts developers. The grey Yanmars are here in enough volume to get their attention, thus the parts support, the OSHA approved ROPS, etc.

One of life's ongoing truisms....we don't always get everything we paid for, but we almost NEVER get more than we paid for. There is no magic formula for finding a good quality Yanmar cheap. If there were, we'd use that formula ourselves.
 
   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #16  
...some rate a 2000 at 22-23 hp while others rare them at 20 hp. My 3110 is rated by some at 31 hp while others say 28-30.My spec sheet rates my tractor at 35 hp:rolleyes:. I really don't think it's 35 hp.
There's a little more to these figures. YM2000 was advertised in Japan as a 20 hp tractor. This is measured at the PTO since running a big rototiller in the rice paddies is the primary application the buyer is sizing his tractor for.

YM2000's same exact engine (2TR20A-X) was also used in the YM240 that Yanmar sold in the US, back when they had dealers here. In the American tractor this engine has a nameplate that states 24 horsepower, and this is determined American-style, measured at the crankshaft of a bare engine same as we rate American autos and tractors.

So this 24:20 ratio is used to estimate the US-equivalent horsepower of the other gray market models. Just take the model number (where the first two digits are the PTO hp) and multiply by 24/20 to see what the US horsepower rating of that tractor would be. This may not be precise in all cases, but at least it's a formula based on real observed data.
 
   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #17  
I do not think I would trade my 30 year old yanmar for a new tractor, if anything goes wrong with it I am able to work on it. Not sure why LMTC did not say anything but maybe you should check out his site, he has a sharp looking 2500 posted. He is also a (maybe the) founder of the UTDA. An organization that for me took the guess work out of my tractor purchase. As far as my money goes he is good people. Some one, I think kenmac posted his website in an earlier post, would be worth your time to take a look.
 
   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #19  
There's a little more to these figures. YM2000 was advertised in Japan as a 20 hp tractor. This is measured at the PTO since running a big rototiller in the rice paddies is the primary application the buyer is sizing his tractor for.

YM2000's same exact engine (2TR20A-X) was also used in the YM240 that Yanmar sold in the US, back when they had dealers here. In the American tractor this engine has a nameplate that states 24 horsepower, and this is determined American-style, measured at the crankshaft of a bare engine same as we rate American autos and tractors.

So this 24:20 ratio is used to estimate the US-equivalent horsepower of the other gray market models. Just take the model number (where the first two digits are the PTO hp) and multiply by 24/20 to see what the US horsepower rating of that tractor would be. This may not be precise in all cases, but at least it's a formula based on real observed data.




Chris . I knew that the greys were rated @ the PTO meaning higher engine H.P. Mine being a 3110 should mean 31 H.P. @ the PTO. I'am not sure( I could be very wrong) that I would loose 4 H.P. from the engine to the PTO Through the trans & gears. My engine #'s are 3t84-488382. I don't know if this is the same engine that was used in the close US version 336. Just by the #'s , a 336 should be 33 engine H. P. & if 4 H.P. is lost to the pto. That is 29 PTO H.P. & if that same engine is used in my tractor.. My tractor isn't 31 PTO H.P. It would be 29 PTO H.P. & 33 engine H.P..Same as the US version 336........Then there is this in Japanese on my tractor

#### 31
#### 2600 RPM
#### 2800 RPM

If I could read Japanese. I would be in good shape:D
 
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   / Might buy a Yanmar and need help #20  
I do not think I would trade my 30 year old yanmar for a new tractor, if anything goes wrong with it I am able to work on it. Not sure why LMTC did not say anything but maybe you should check out his site, he has a sharp looking 2500 posted. He is also a (maybe the) founder of the UTDA. An organization that for me took the guess work out of my tractor purchase. As far as my money goes he is good people. Some one, I think kenmac posted his website in an earlier post, would be worth your time to take a look.
Co-founder....but thanks. It is an idea we spent many years pitching to dealers in this market. We may be able to claim the original concept and framework, but without two other things it would never have gotten off the ground. Those things are the whole-hearted support of Tom Fredricks of Fredricks Equipment who put out major $$ for the development of the OSHA approved ROPS, and those dealers who took the gamble and joined, knowing that the addition of these safety features would price us around $1,000 a unit above the non-UTDA tractors.

The end result is a unit that is fitted with available safety features (ROPS, pto shield, clutch safety start switch, OR coupler, all english decals, operation manual) and a group of dealers who have made the marketing statement of our intent to provide the safest product we can for the consumer. For those who support this concept please note there is a UTDA membership level for non-tractor dealers, allowing sellers of related items to publicly show their support for the UTDA concept. They are listed as vendors, but it is a specific form of membership, and we appreciate their support. You can see them on the UTDA site (I know, it runs really slow....we're in the process of buying more bandwidth on a faster server) and consider who you want to support with your peripheral purchases.
 

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