Oil & Fuel Out of fuel DK45s
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Willl
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Next step would be to remove your fuel shutoff solenoid and see if it's pulling in.
(#2 in this pic.)
(#2 in this pic.)
Next step would be to remove your fuel shutoff solenoid and see if it's pulling in.
(#2 in this pic.)
thanks...what position should the lever (1) be in? is it currently in the correct "open" position? Should the lever (1) move when the engine is started? It doesn't move when the engine is started.
When you say the solenoid should be pulling in -- what do you mean? Is it like a plunger that moves in and out when the ignition is on? If so, will I be able to see the solenoid move in and out if I remove the solenoid from the injection block and crank the engine? Or does it need to be grounded to the block to work?
Also, does this solenoid have a fuse? I checked all the fuses previously and they seemed okay...
thanks
Willl
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Lever #1 should be spring loaded to hold it in the 'run/open' position.
No, the lever will not move.
Yes, exactly like a plunger that moves in n out.
Yes, if it's working correctly, you can definitely see it move.
Yes, quite sure it's fused. But it still could be a 'open' coil circuit which would not blow a fuse.
Once removed, be careful about trying to start it.
If it is the component that's bad, your tractor WILL run with it removed and the only way to shut it down will be with lever #1.
Willl
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Here's a pic of what you might find yours to look like.
IXLR8
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Willl has provided you good info...
1) You might need to ground solenoid to get it to work, If there is more than one wire going into solenoid, then I suspect you won't have to ground it.
2) On some solenoids the plunger is not captured. It is spring loaded and when you remove it from the pump.. the plunger can spring free, along with the spring... these can be hard to find if you drop them... be careful.
3) Yes it should be fused, but if the coil is open.. then there will be no current draw and no blown fuse, also no activation of solenoid.
4) If you have a voltmeter, the first thing I would do is unplug the solenoid, turn on the key, then carefully measure between each pin on the wire connector and ground. One pin should have 12 volts DC on it, any others I would expect to show zero volts. Don't short any pins together with your meter leads.. otherwise you could be changing fuses. Turn key off before plugging solenoid back in.
5) If you have 12 volts DC at the wire connector, then you need to see if you have an open solenoid.
How many pins are on the connector?
1) You might need to ground solenoid to get it to work, If there is more than one wire going into solenoid, then I suspect you won't have to ground it.
2) On some solenoids the plunger is not captured. It is spring loaded and when you remove it from the pump.. the plunger can spring free, along with the spring... these can be hard to find if you drop them... be careful.
3) Yes it should be fused, but if the coil is open.. then there will be no current draw and no blown fuse, also no activation of solenoid.
4) If you have a voltmeter, the first thing I would do is unplug the solenoid, turn on the key, then carefully measure between each pin on the wire connector and ground. One pin should have 12 volts DC on it, any others I would expect to show zero volts. Don't short any pins together with your meter leads.. otherwise you could be changing fuses. Turn key off before plugging solenoid back in.
5) If you have 12 volts DC at the wire connector, then you need to see if you have an open solenoid.
How many pins are on the connector?
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Did you pump the primer pump until you felt pressure build? When it gets harder to pump.
thanks for the detailed replies and the picture...there are 2 wires, red and blue, going to the solenoid - so hopefully that means its grounded.
Couple of questions:
1. Is the fuel shut off lever currently in the correct position?
2. You say to test with a voltmeter...would starting the engine and watching the solenoid action (or lack thereof)accomplish the same thing?
3. what is the normal position of the solenoid - out as shown in the picture?
4. If yes to 3, is that why you say that pulling the solenoid will result in the tractor continuously running unless the shut off arm is moved forward?
this is a real who dunnit! One other thing, we were going to pull the injection pump to inspect it...except kioti blocks its removal by 1/4" - you can't get it off without removing the exhaust headers and fuel lines as the left rear nut won't clear the space between the top of the threads and the bottom of the exhaust header
-rox
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I don't understand hardly anything that is written but never the less I think I am absorbing something. It was very helpful to se the photographs with the numbers on them. If that would have been done by John earlier I think this thread could have moved on quicker. Not a cut on you John just a comment for future posters, the discussion will be more efficient with labeled pics. It is only by reading things I don't understand at all that I grow. That is why this is such a god thread to read, John is asking really basic stuff. I'm learning. I am impatient for the finish to find out what the problem is, it's interesting.
