Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn

   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn #11  
I wouldn't go cheap on this part. That's why that receiver section is rounded out. Cheap, soft metal IMO.

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Hydraulic Motor End
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This is the socket 3" that you will need.
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I will assemble images in a moment for your repair.
 
   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn #13  
I have to admit stumbling onto this crisis is somewhat bazaar being I just completed the same repair last week.

So with sparks and camera firing off of most of the steps, I proceeded to make a documented file for myself thinking this only happens to me.

Then the fun began.
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These links that follow will show each image full size for details needed.

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Good Luck with repair, and if you need any live tip, feel free to call me @ 763 639 2113 or SMS.

Having new help run the equipment, it was noticed that the broom motor must have had an issue with concrete building in the way.

The side frame the motor is mounted on was bent outward. This side of the machines frame is thinner material so that it can flex with the drums alignment.

This repair was a bit difficult getting the frame as straight
as possible before assembly.

Shims were added to true it dead on.
When the drive nut fits snug in it's new fitting in the drum, this is when it has to be true as possible.

*This is why grinding inside of socket is important, that it fits loose.
* Also, you don't want tool steel hardness running on the drive nut. This is the other reason to pre-heat with cutting torch the weld zone, and do not shock cool it off when done which will re-harden the surface.

* To lesson some of the wear at the drum fitting, try not to start & stop broom while it's in the air.
Let broom rest lightly on the ground first, check that it is in level contact, and then start the broom.

This also prevents the bristles from over flexing and wearing out.

I added notes tonight made in each image that should help when the going gets tough.

*Notice also where I mention 'preheat' prior to welding in the image related.

This broom is back on the job as of today, and everyone is happy, as well as myself when the only option left was all new parts not in stock.

It could easily have reached up to $3000, or spend another $5000 for new one, or a used one for $4200, and add new brooms to it.

But they didn't notice the bent side frame, so it was basically a pile of scrap.

So from the dealer's shop inspection, it was placed back onto the trailer and headed back to the monster garage.

Both stands were also damaged and had to be cut out and made from scratch with thicker pipe and pads.

I now use trailer hitch hair pin clips 3/16" drilled through stand legs to keep them from falling down and the curbing folding them under machine. It works great now.

The loop of the Hydraulic hoses also were anchored near the left stand leg with padded steel straps to keep them in tight to side frame.

This is where a combination of hyd 45 degree angle adaptors could streamline the hose angle at the motor.

Total parts so far were in the $200 range with some torture thrown in.
No band-aid was used in this repair.

*One major tip,
there is going to be a lot of grinding, so prepare with sound proof head set, goggles, mask, gloves and fans, or take it outside. But you knew that already.

Even if money was no object, I still wasn't going to spend a pile just because someone said I had to.

Next is the coupler holder when broom is removed.
Grungy fittings will be a thing of the past.

Happy New Year,
Regards,
Phil
Mpls
 
   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn
  • Thread Starter
#14  
Phil, wow, thanks for the detailed information! Exactly what I needed! You hit the nail on the head: bent frame/poor alignment is an issue with my angle broom, as well. My mechanic/welder friend is coming by this week to look at my angle broom for the first time and we'll use your photographs and instructions to guide us. You provide so much information, I will definitely followup here with questions as we go along and I'll post details of our progress. Thank you again. Happy New Year to you, Phil, and just let me know when I can buy lunch! :)
 
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#15  
Followup: Phil, I wanted to print out large versions of your photographs but the links you posted are not working for me. Could you link us to large individual photos please? Thanks.
 
   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn #16  
The Original links to large images have been reset. Sorry about the hassle.
Then the fun began.
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These links that follow will show each image full size for details needed.
ALL NEW LINKS

worn out drum / 640 size
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socket / 640 size
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bevel grind / 500 size
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grind to fit socket / 640 size
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cut in half & welded in / 1100 size
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speed up paint drying / 1100
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verify alignment / 700 size
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prep motor for paint / 1100 size
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drive adaptor test / 1100 size
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8 image view / 1000 size
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   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn #17  
There is one detail that may need attention prior to welding in the socket.
At the spot weld step, this would be a good place to test fit the drive adaptor in place to the frame & into the drum.
This could save grinding and requiring further welding.

There are other steps one could take by drilling 1/2" holes into 3 sides of socket at the point they line up with the cross section of the 1/2" drive plate of the drum. Then weld fill them in making a few more attach points.

It's maybe overkill, but time will tell if that is necessary.
I'm just going by the shear fact of the start/stop shock loading that is hard to eliminate at this time. I'm currently working on solving it to be softer.

cut in half & welded in / 1100 size
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   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn #18  
Happy New Year to you, Phil, and just let me know when I can buy lunch! :)
Appreciate the offer Gadgetnut. Perhaps a happy hour tour is due out that way.
I have a Honda VTX 1800 that is always staring at me wondering when is it's turn to go somewhere.
I just now put a quilt over him, like a parrot trick.

Your Welcome, and your partner should have your machine back in action soon.
Regards,
Phil
 
   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn #19  
Today we ended up having a issue with the motor to drive adaptor bolts coming loose during a 2 hour tour down town.
It took out the large diameter O-Ring.
Cleaned it up, put in new O-Ring, and this time used red locktite on the 12 point x 1/2" headed bolts.

I think if I had to do it over again, I'd use a 3-1/2" socket or larger and insert urethane pads for the 3" drive to reduce the shock, and vibration.
 
   / Angle Broom Bristles Will Not Turn
  • Thread Starter
#20  
Hi, Phil. Thanks for the feedback. Are the bolts that came loose the four large ones that hold the motor to the outside of the frame? Is it true that red loctite should help prevent accidental loosening by vibration, but that you can still manually break the loctite and remove the bolts with a wrench?

I printed out your photographs and I'm going to transport my angle broom to my friend's shop today for welding and repair... maybe I will hold off the repair for a couple more days, though... do you expect to be using the angle broom again in the next couple days, and will you update us again on how it's holding up?

I may be completely wrong but it doesn't seem like urethane pads (to fill the gap of a larger socket) would hold up very well.

In terms of minimizing shock to the entire assembly, I like your suggestion of starting and stopping the broom rotation only while the brush is lightly engaged on the road surface. This sounds like it should be a "best practices" procedure for all angle broom operators to minimize these types of problems.
 

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