2001 tc45 hst question

[Hooked_on_HP]

At 10% off parts he is still making plenty of of the parts. I would find a different dealer. Does this dealer have your tractor torn appart. If not how does he know exactly what parts he needs. I would be giving NH an ear full. Ask your dealer how many of these hydro's he has rebuilt.
Bill

 

[dynasim]

Does this dealer have your tractor torn appart. If not how does he know exactly what parts he needs.

That is the question I that I think is pertinent. It is likely that this dealer is already spoiled. He has taken a stand, and will look bad if he goes back on his assessment. Go somewhere else(possibly a non-affiliated mechanic).

Chris

 

[dfkrug]

Does this dealer have your tractor torn appart. If not how does he know exactly what parts he needs.

To do a proper assessment, the tractor needed to be split and further
dissassembled. The dealer could have just put a guage on one of the high
pressure test ports on the HST and punted if he saw under-spec numbers.
If he did the proper dissassembly, then did he charge for the diagnostic
service, and how much to put it back together? Of course, if he did not
take it apart, its time to find another service person, or DIY.

 

[jmyers9668]

yes my dealer did split the tractor in half. they sent the hydro out to L J Hydro for diagnosis and or repair. my dealer is telling me that they are the ones who said the hydro cant be repaired. I checked these guys out and they have an excellent reputation. but on the other hand i dont know if my dealer is giving me the whole story. the story may be it will take to long to get rebuilt and they dont want their service bay taken up that long or by the time they get the extra labor included to rebuild the hst it is not cost effective. I'm looking into buying the rebuild kit and having an unaffiliated mechanic do the job(as advised by good folks on this forum thank you for the advice) I'll keep you all posted. Thanks again for all the input. John

 

[RickB]

yes my dealer did split the tractor in half. they sent the hydro out to L J Hydro for diagnosis and or repair. my dealer is telling me that they are the ones who said the hydro cant be repaired. I checked these guys out and they have an excellent reputation. but on the other hand i dont know if my dealer is giving me the whole story. the story may be it will take to long to get rebuilt and they dont want their service bay taken up that long or by the time they get the extra labor included to rebuild the hst it is not cost effective. I'm looking into buying the rebuild kit and having an unaffiliated mechanic do the job(as advised by good folks on this forum thank you for the advice) I'll keep you all posted. Thanks again for all the input. John

Ignoring the advise of a reputable hydro repair shop and throwing the job to an independent mechanic is a journey onto thin ice. Obviously if your NH dealer had qualified techs to do the hydro repair they would have kept it in house. Farming it out was probably a sound decision from a practical sense because it effectively took revenue away from the shop; which nobody does without reason. Does the guy you are considering have experience with hydrostatic repair? If a reputable shop says the unit is unrepairable, don't figure a gasket and seal kit for $220 is going to do much for it. Budget for both rotating groups and the seal kit AT A MINIMUM ($3000 total). Valve plates not included in the rotating group kits are another $1100.
Your education may be just beginning here.

 

[jinman]

I think what is missing from the dealer and raising my skepticism is the reason the transmission cannot be rebuilt. I would want to know what parts failed and why they decided a complete replacement was necessary. There may well be a good reason, but I think if it were my transmission, I'd want someone to go over the parts diagram with me and explain why it was unrepairable. I just can't think of anything I'd spend over $9,000 for without knowing more details. If they give me good reason, I'd grin and bear it, but as a customer, I deserve more than just telling me it can't be fixed and I need to lay out a big wad of cash.

 

[RickB]

I think what is missing from the dealer and raising my skepticism is the reason the transmission cannot be rebuilt. I would want to know what parts failed and why they decided a complete replacement was necessary. There may well be a good reason, but I think if it were my transmission, I'd want someone to go over the parts diagram with me and explain why it was unrepairable. I just can't think of anything I'd spend over $9,000 for without knowing more details. If they give me good reason, I'd grin and bear it, but as a customer, I deserve more than just telling me it can't be fixed and I need to lay out a big wad of cash.

That's absolutely true. The OP needs to ask that question and hear the answer before he accepts free advise from someone here who thinks hydro repair is a DIY project; which has been suggested. That's absurd, to be polite.

I am not justifying the $9K outlay. I just don't want the guy to go off the deep end in the other direction. He could spend a good percentage of the $9K and be no better off than he is today, and I don't think he or most of the respondents know that.

 

[dfkrug]

The OP needs to ask that question and hear the answer before he accepts free advise from someone here who thinks hydro repair is a DIY project; which has been suggested. That's absurd, to be polite.

Rick, it was I who suggested that HST repair is a DIY project, and I stand
by that statement. Hardly absurd, IMO. I encourage anyone moderately
handy with a wrench to consider fixing this himself. I would never have
suggested this until I did my first HST.

Althought that TC45 probably has the DualPower option (a 2-speed hydraulic
motor), it is far far less complicated than an automotive automatic tranny,
or even a manual gearbox.

 

[RickB]

I encourage anyone moderately
handy with a wrench to consider fixing this himself. I would never have
suggested this until I did my first HST.

We are going to have to disagree. I think it takes more than moderate wrench and failure analysis skills to SUCESSFULLY repair hydros. Not to mention cleanliness habits a level above those needed for engine rebuilding. If you have BTDT, your skills are proven to be above the average here.

 

[IH3444]

I'm certain that the reason the dealer does not want to go internally into this rebuild, is due to warrenty issues. If they have another failure with the unit, then they are responsible until the warrenty for the repair is over. Car dealers work the same way. Swap the unit out, then only responsible for the R&R labor.

I totally agree with fixing it, I'm certain that the parts are not that expensive, and the rebuild is mostly labor intense. If it were mine, and out of warrenty, I would pull it apart myself, with the help of a manual. Heck, it's just a few hydro motors isn't it? The engine drives one, and the driven one drives the second to the gear sets? Not that simple, but with proper manuals, and specs available it could be repaired. I remember the fellow who's hydro failed a few years back said his failure was traced to a sinstered bronze bushing in the pump which turned back to powder. I'm sure that this one failed simply also, with only 750hours. Lots of labor, but not impossible to rebuid. Most likely when disassembled the problem will be seen.

Now I've heard that the Kubota glide shifts are extremely complicated, and about the toughest to fix and repair. I was told that Kubota dropped the glide shift from their line also. I drove one once and didn't like it. When it shifted, it would spin the tires, and that was a almost idle. Seemed that a lot of internal wear could have been occuring.