When the only tool you know is a hammer...

   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #1  

KentT

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   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #2  
Where is Rip when you need him? :)

Of course when the only tool you have is a Swiss army knife...
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #3  
back down in the basement you go, red-headed step-child!:D
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #5  
There, I changed my signature in her honor. :)
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer...
  • Thread Starter
#6  
back down in the basement you go, red-headed step-child!:D

Some times it certainly feels like that's the case... I thought this original poster MIGHT be a capable of thinking outside the box since he'd already considered skidders (which are either articulating, or 4-wheel steer machines), skidsteers, and small tracked vehicles...

I wonder how many of these posters ever use their machines for what that design (ag tractors and all subsequent derivatives) was originally designed for -- pulling a plow or something similar. Once you get past the need for plowing, almost every other thing they do is a compromise, and sometimes a serious compromise. Ironically, farming is going away from plowing, and using no-till planting to avoid erosion and such...

At least some have tillers, where it is advantageous to readily till out your tracks, while keeping all four wheels on solid ground. Having most implements out front where you can see them, and keeping the body of the machine out of the "work area" is an incredible advantage for most things you try to do... before you even talk about the maneuverability and traction that full-time 4WD and articulation/oscillation provides...

Thanks for stepping in guys -- at least we've tried! :)

It's kinda funny, I typically don't even jump in any more, recommending PTs, unless I see something in their needs that clearly points to using one. Otherwise, it's kinda like trying to swim upstream against the current of strongly and widely held preconceptions by the majority of posters...

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

Power-Trac really needs a dealer network, where people could have the opportunity to try for themselves and experience the advantages -- not to mention the whole service/support issue...

If I were "king for a day" -- I'd try to inject PTs widely into equipment rental outlets (even at a discount), and potentially use them as a dealer network... There is simply no substitute for experiencing one -- words to describe them are almost totally inadequate.

As a minimum, PT should have high-quality videos (similar to Moss's) showing each attachment being used...
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #7  
on a completely different level....

I had a Bolens articulating riding mower (made by Stiga). The deck was mounted on the front.......GREAT for mowing....fast, could see what you were doing, nimble, cut under bushes, etc., cut up hillsides......

i hated to sell it but when MTD bought Bolens, they started discontinuing parts and since this was and "odd-ball" I was having trouble getting things and i was worried about what another 10-15 years would be like....

so, i can see the practicality of having your attachments on the front....

every time my buddies came over, they wanted to ride "that thing.........";)

mine was a Bolens but they just put their name on it....here's a link:
http://www.stiga.com/(wy31mdraobpdrj455ehght55)/index.aspx?Country_id=1

another *they have since corrected EVERYTHING i thought were weaknesses.....very good quality.....priced accordingly

http://www.stiga.com/(wy31mdraobpdrj455ehght55)/index.aspx?Country_id=1





Some times it certainly feels like that's the case... I thought this original poster MIGHT be a capable of thinking outside the box since he'd already considered skidders (which are either articulating, or 4-wheel steer machines), skidsteers, and small tracked vehicles...

I wonder how many of these posters ever use their machines for what that design (ag tractors and all subsequent derivatives) was originally designed for -- pulling a plow or something similar. Once you get past the need for plowing, almost every other thing they do is a compromise, and sometimes a serious compromise. Ironically, farming is going away from plowing, and using no-till planting to avoid erosion and such...

At least some have tillers, where it is advantageous to readily till out your tracks, while keeping all four wheels on solid ground. Having most implements out front where you can see them, and keeping the body of the machine out of the "work area" is an incredible advantage for most things you try to do... before you even talk about the maneuverability and traction that full-time 4WD and articulation/oscillation provides...

Thanks for stepping in guys -- at least we've tried! :)

It's kinda funny, I typically don't even jump in any more, recommending PTs, unless I see something in their needs that clearly points to using one. Otherwise, it's kinda like trying to swim upstream against the current of strongly and widely held preconceptions by the majority of posters...

There are none so blind as those who will not see...

Power-Trac really needs a dealer network, where people could have the opportunity to try for themselves and experience the advantages -- not to mention the whole service/support issue...

If I were "king for a day" -- I'd try to inject PTs widely into equipment rental outlets (even at a discount), and potentially use them as a dealer network... There is simply no substitute for experiencing one -- words to describe them are almost totally inadequate.

As a minimum, PT should have high-quality videos (similar to Moss's) showing each attachment being used...
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #8  
Here's a few thoughts on Power Trac....

My sister has a small business that started out as her passion, designing theatrical costumes. She enjoyed pursuing her passion and did it well. However, as the business grew, she had to spend more time running the business and less time pursuing her passion. Now, she ain't so happy.

I think Power Trac is happy building what they build as it appears to be their passion. However, if they take it up to dealer level, national distribution, etc... they will have to spend more time running the business and less time doing what makes them happy. More hassle than it is worth, to them, I think.

But, man, if they ever felt like just making a ton of money, it would seem like they could partner up with a big tractor or equipment company, take advantage of their dealer network and marketing, refine the machine a tad, and BOOM! off they go to claim half the conventional yuppie home owner tractor market. :eek:
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer... #9  
yeah, paint them PT blue and you might have something!:eek::p

Here's a few thoughts on Power Trac....

My sister has a small business that started out as her passion, designing theatrical costumes. She enjoyed pursuing her passion and did it well. However, as the business grew, she had to spend more time running the business and less time pursuing her passion. Now, she ain't so happy.

I think Power Trac is happy building what they build as it appears to be their passion. However, if they take it up to dealer level, national distribution, etc... they will have to spend more time running the business and less time doing what makes them happy. More hassle than it is worth, to them, I think.

But, man, if they ever felt like just making a ton of money, it would seem like they could partner up with a big tractor or equipment company, take advantage of their dealer network and marketing, refine the machine a tad, and BOOM! off they go to claim half the conventional yuppie home owner tractor market. :eek:
 
   / When the only tool you know is a hammer...
  • Thread Starter
#10  
Moss,

I suspect you're right. Sometimes I wonder just how much PT listens to their owners, or how much hands-on experience they actually have with their machines, or they'd be more responsive to simple issues...

For example, how long did it take for them to deal with the cheap tubeless tires that they used on their mowers, blades, etc. Seems the feedback network (without dealers) seems lacking, for sure...

I just don't understand their business model, I guess... :confused:
 

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