Oil & Fuel Fuel additives for diesel?

[Evil the Weasel]

I'm using taxed road diesel from the local convenience store. Perhaps it wasn't winterized. I really don't know. I still can't believe it happened, but I assure you it did I have no easy access to off-road and I don't use enough to warrant it really.

 

[LBrown59]

1*I'm using taxed road diesel from the local convenience store. Perhaps it wasn't winterized. I really don't know. I still can't believe it happened, but I assure you it did
2*I have no easy access to off-road and I don't use enough to warrant it really.

1*Road diesel is simply taxed off road.
Either way it was either winter or summer stuff.
2*How much do you us a month on average.?

 

[LBrown59]

I was wondering what kind of diesel you use.
1*I use off road/Ag (red) from my local Co-op.
I wonder if they have something added to it as well. 2* I believe the diesel in my tractor right now I bought back in the fall well before it was even close to getting cold out.

1*Shound have the same thing in it as on road.
2*That is probably summer blend.

 

[BrierPatch]

1*Shound have the same thing in it as on road.
2*That is probably summer blend.

1.

I thought that on road was ultra low sulfur and off road was not? They call it X4 diesel I believe, but I would have to look specifically at the lable next time to see what they claim for the sulfur content.​

2.

Is it common for Co-ops to put additives in their diesel for winter blend?​

I only started buying it from my Coop this year. I used to buy off road from a local gas station until they closed and occasionally I would buy regular pump diesel. I don't remember exactly, but I thought the off road was cheaper by more than just taxes.

 

[Evil the Weasel]

1*Road diesel is simply taxed off road.
Either way it was either winter or summer stuff.
2*How much do you us a month on average.?

I'm using around 5 gallons a month. My old G series used to tear through the gasoline, so this thing sips fuel by comparison.

 

[Reg]

I've been running diesel powered trucks for a few decades.
Initially I would dutifully slop in all kinds of recommended additives, but other than buyer's remorse they gave me nothing in return.
These days I just load up at truck stops where they turn over a lot of fuel, the mix is seasonally adjusted, plus a safety margin.
I am not having truck problems.
I get my tractor fuel at a similar place, less than 2 miles from the house, but he turns over a good quantity of fuel, so it is fresh.
I am not having tractor problems.

There is another recent thread where folk are be-moaning the fact that they are having cold start problems DESPITE having twice the recommended doses of xy_whatever.
For some odd reason they seem to be going for even more of what isn't working for them (puzzled).
Basically additives are hokum, OK snake oil.
Drain the glass bowl FREQUENTLY, change filters, fill up ONLY where they sell a lot of fuel and take care of their in-ground tanks.
Don't get snow in your tank if you fill from 5 gallon jugs.

Either there isn't a problem or additives aren't the solution.

 

[LBrown59]

1.I thought that on road was ultra low sulfur and off road was not?
2.Is it common for Co-ops to put additives in their diesel for winter blend?

1*It usta was perhaps ;but since the new mandate for ULSD I believe they are phasing everything over to that whether for on or off road so actually there is no difference between them except the red dye and the tax.
I Believe their ultimate goal is a 1 fuel does all operation.
They have already accomplished that in my area as I can only obtain 1 fuel no matter where or who I buy it from.
2*We have 3 distributors or Co - Ops here .
They all 3 fill their delivery trucks at the Ashland bulk plant here.
Guess where the local Tanker trucks hauling fuel to the local gas/service stations are filling their trucks too.
Since all these trucks are hauling from the same tank it only makes sense to add the additives to that one tank rather that constantly trying to measure out and add the proper ratio to each truck coming in and loading up.

1*I'm using around 5 gallons a month.
2*My old G series used to tear through the gasoline, so this thing sips fuel by comparison.

1*I'm using 10 to 12 gallons a month.
2*My CC GT2554 is a real gas hog but My BX1500 sips fuel in comparison.
After owning a Diesel for 4 years and using 5 gallon cans and funnels 3 of those 4 years I finally got smart and built a pump and drum fuel set up last summer.
Let me tell you I never shed a tear watching those 5 gallon cans go.
My only regret is I didn't do it sooner.
I've concluded that an average usage of 5 or more gallons of fuel per month warrants/justifies a storage system and it does not matter whether you use on or off road fuel.

This is my 30/55 gallon dual drum set up and is ideal for my 10 to 12 gallon a month use.
I also have plans for a 15/30 gallon dual drum set up geared toward a 5 to 10 gallon per month user.

 

[number two]

The fuel terminals dispence straight product,i.e. no additive.Some terminals offer #1/#2 blends or even with/without additive options.Bottom line is the distributor is determining what they offer.Blending fuel or using additive costs money and the distributors try to get by with the lowest cost product they can get by with.Some distributors want to guarantee cold weather performance and some don't.It's hard to know even if you ask,the person you speak with may have no idea what's in the tank.Probably the only way to know is to ask the tanker driver as he will know what he is delivering!Cloud points(assuming no biodiesel)for #2 is maybe 5-6F,#1 is -40 or so.If you have fuel problems over let's say +10F/it's water,not gelling.By the way,kerosene is #1 nowadays.I know it's confusing.Hope this helps.

 

[Evil the Weasel]

As far as using twice the recommended additives, it's actually indicated on the Howe's bottle to use double for colder temps.

And Triple-tractor BrowN (TBN ), I like your set up but you would have to get fuel delivered or schlep the yellow jugs around to fill those monsters up. I got one of those scepter flo 'n go pumps and I just set my diesel can up on a ladder to fill up.

 

[Evil the Weasel]

The fuel terminals dispence straight product,i.e. no additive.Some terminals offer #1/#2 blends or even with/without additive options.Bottom line is the distributor is determining what they offer.Blending fuel or using additive costs money and the distributors try to get by with the lowest cost product they can get by with.Some distributors want to guarantee cold weather performance and some don't.It's hard to know even if you ask,the person you speak with may have no idea what's in the tank.Probably the only way to know is to ask the tanker driver as he will know what he is delivering!Cloud points(assuming no biodiesel)for #2 is maybe 5-6F,#1 is -40 or so.If you have fuel problems over let's say +10F/it's water,not gelling.By the way,kerosene is #1 nowadays.I know it's confusing.Hope this helps.

I should have taken a pic of the filter. It was wax not water clogging it up.