F250 superduty

[Diamondpilot]

I agree whole heartedly as far as the incentives and interest rates on new trucks realy making the resale value on recent model used trucks take a wack. IMO, most of the time , if the buyer takes out a 60 mo. loan on a vehicle, and has little or no equity in their trade, and no money to put down, and drives the average amount of miles per year, they will almost always end up upside down in the loan, or close to it. The incentives on new trucks have just increased the amount, speaking in terms of dollars that people are upside down in their auto loans, but not neccecarily created the problem.

In my part of the country, NE ohio, the heart of the snow belt, It is hard to find a new car dealer from sept. to april that does not have at least 5 base engine 3/4 ton 4x4's of varying cab configurations in stock. Two out of three will have one or two diesels, and as far as a v-10...... Well lets just say they were the majority 8 years ago, but these days they are like UFO sightings, every now and them you here about a new one at a dealer from second hand source, but it always plays out to be fiction. The big gas engines have been pretty much order only for years around here.

The reason they do not stock the V-10 is they are taking a lesson from GM. They dropped the 8.1 to force people to the diesel or order one and wait 2-3 months. Most people are to impatient to wait so they just drop the extra coin on the diesel.

Like I said in my neck of the woods you can not find a V-10 on a lot and are hard pressed to fined anything but diesels since that is what us Indiana Rednecks like even if not needed. I see many people pulling 7K loads with F-350's, a F-150 job, or the wife driving them to WalMart and the Grocery like mine.

Chris

 

[mohrds]

They (Ford) "don't just about oustell" They (Ford) get easily outsold by GM & Dodge combined.

You gotta take off the Ford blue tinted oval sunglasses and get the facts right before you make statements trying to convince someone to buy something.

I think we owe it to our fellow members to be unbiased when we try to help another member make an important decision.

Now go back and study your Ford front axles so I don't have to teach you more about your Ford.

I won't even call you names if you get something wrong.

We are ONLY talking HD trucks here. The OP should not be towing an 8700 lb. trailer for 80 miles with a light duty truck or SUV that are included in the "GM Dominates the Market" numbers.

You want numbers? OK. Dec 2008, 30,891 HD trucks sold. 15,052 of the were Ford. That means that Ford sold 787 less HD trucks than Chevy, GM and Dodge put together.

787 out of 30,891 sure seems like it backs up the "Almost outsells the competition combined." statement.

If the OP wants a Chevy, GM or Dodge, he is welcome to buy one. He asked us about the F-250.

BTW: What exactly should I be looking for on the 3.73 Dana 50 front axle on my Ford SuperDuty truck?

To the OP: I have the V-10 and would highly recommend it over the V-8 option. You will use more gas while you tow because the engine will be working much harder. With the V-10 and 3.73 gears, you should get ~15-16 MPG and tow 8700 lbs with no trouble and only a 1-2 MPG drop. With the V-8, you'll need 4.30 gears to tow that much trailer and unloaded with those gears, you'll at best get 1mpg better than the V-10 with the 3.73 gears. But while towing with the V-8 and 4.30 gears you will see a 5-6 MPG drop.

I'm not interested in the points game, just trying to help the OP with his question.

Doug

 

[Soundguy]

. It will run 80 mph plus all day long on I-10.

Ditto on running loaded all day.

A buddy of mine and me ran 20 hours straight to texas, then 20 hours back.. trucked stopped for fuel and food and loading. was a 7000# haul.

soundguy

 

[Runner]

For what it's worth:

I have a 2004 F350, auto, 4WD, V-10 with 4.30 axle. I haven't checked the mileage since new, so it's probably improved a little as it got broken in.

My mileage was 11 on the highway, unloaded and 9 pulling a 5,000 lb trailer.

 

[Builder]

We are ONLY talking HD trucks here. The OP should not be towing an 8700 lb. trailer for 80 miles with a light duty truck or SUV that are included in the "GM Dominates the Market" numbers.


Doug

And why can't he tow 8,700 lbs with a 1/2 ton when almost all 1/2 tons are rated to tow 10,000lbs, Doug?????
1/2 tons can easily pull 8700 lbs. I do it with my 1/2 ton all the time, so maybe a light truck, properly equipped with a gas engine would be a perfect solution for him.

Maybe if you read his 2nd post you'd see he mostly runs unloaded and currently performs his tasks with an older 1/2 ton.

This vehical will be used and a daily driver for me to get to work, about 30 miles a day. 4wd is a must and i feel more comfortable with standards. I will be towing a tractor and trailer with a combined weight of approx 8700lbs max distance of 80 miles one way. Top speed will never be over 55 and the mileage unloaded is more important to me then the loaded. Diesel would be idea but if most of my driving will be unloaded then why bother. My 96 dodge ram 1500 get 15 with 210,000 on it and if i could stay at that i would be happy

Who sells the most trucks is not what's important. All I was trying to do is correct a false statement and you guys turn this into another F vs C brawl.

What's important is helping the guy find the right truck and leaving brand loyalty behind.

The thing that cracks me up is you guys are always trying to shove more truck or tractor up everyone's backside than they need. You guys act like you need a 1 ton diesel dually to pull a logsplitter to your neighbors house.

Why not help the guy get the right truck for the job instead of making him feel like he's stupid if he doesn't buy a 1-ton with a V-10 engine???????

 

[mohrds]

Excuse me Doug, but anyone knows 1/2 tons can easily pull 8700 lbs. I do it with my 1/2 ton. Maybe a light truck, properly equipped would be a perfect solution for him.

Maybe if you read his 2nd post you'd see he mostly runs unloaded and currently performs his tasks with an older 1/2 ton.

Newer 1/2 tons are easily capable of towing 8,700 lbs and getting good fuel mileage when unloaded.

The tag on my Harbor Freight Engine hoist says 5,000 lbs. yet I would never try to lift over 750 lbs. with it.

Yes, LIGHT DUTY pickups can be used to occasionally haul heavier loads, but I wouldn't want to be the one driving it. If the trailer brakes fail, there is no way a small truck can safely maneuver the load.

I'll stick with HD trucks for towing anything over 5K.

 

[wkpoor]

I have to disagree with those that think they need a diesel or v10 to pull 7K long distance on the highway. I can cruise very nicely with with that behind my 1ton van 5.7 v8. Sure thing those other powerplants will do better and are way stronger but I don't think they really shine until you break the 10,000lb mark. I routinely move my tractor at 9500lb on my 14K trailer locally and have no problem at all with it. Out on the open highway the diesel is the way to go. I'll be real interested to see how it does after I get the 4.56ers in it.

 

[Builder]

The tag on my Harbor Freight Engine hoist says 5,000 lbs. yet I would never try to lift over 750 lbs. with it.

Yes, LIGHT DUTY pickups can be used to occasionally haul heavier loads, but I wouldn't want to be the one driving it. If the trailer brakes fail, there is no way a small truck can safely maneuver the load.

I'll stick with HD trucks for towing anything over 5K.

Well, then you like EXTREME OVERKILL. 5K is a joke. That's a garden tractor on a 2 axle light duty trailer. lmao.

I don't even need trailer brakes to tow 5K.

Crap, I'll tow 7-8K with my wife's Tahoe. I've got farmers down the road from me that tow 12-14 K with old chevy 1/2 tons with less than 200HP.

Plenty of configurations of 1/2 ton gas powered pickups can out-tow 3/4 ton pickups with more power.

Get a grip, I mean what do you do if there's 1" of snow, go out and buy an OshKosh airport snowblower? lmao

 

[wkpoor]

I think more and more people are learning unless your are towing big loads often long distances the smaller gassers do well enough to not justify a 45K diesel PU.
My bro tows a 6K boat all over kingdom come with his 1/2T 5.3. I used to think he was under trucked but I've come around to realize it doesn't take a Kodiak for what most of us do occasionally.

 

[farmboy12]

The tag on my Harbor Freight Engine hoist says 5,000 lbs. yet I would never try to lift over 750 lbs. with it.

Yes, LIGHT DUTY pickups can be used to occasionally haul heavier loads, but I wouldn't want to be the one driving it. If the trailer brakes fail, there is no way a small truck can safely maneuver the load.

I'll stick with HD trucks for towing anything over 5K.

We tow 13,000# with a Chevy 3/4 gasser w/ only a 4 speed (no more than a beefy 1/2 ton). That's while we even have 500 lbs in the bed and an extra 700 in the cab area. We've taken this truck/trailer/load configuration out on soft fields, and 75 mph on highways.

Well, then you like EXTREME OVERKILL. 5K is a joke. That's a garden tractor on a 2 axle light duty trailer. lmao.

I don't even need trailer brakes to tow 5K.

Crap, I'll tow 7-8K with my wife's Tahoe. I've got farmers down the road from me that tow 12-14 K with old chevy 1/2 tons with less than 200HP.

Plenty of configurations of 1/2 ton gas powered pickups can out-tow 3/4 ton pickups with more power.

Get a grip, I mean what do you do if there's 1" of snow, go out and buy an OshKosh airport snowblower? lmao

Ditto, Builder.


Kyle