401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone?

   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #51  
Two things to think about. If you retirement account looses 50% of its value, it must go up 100% to return to its pre-loss level. During the first Depression, the folks who did not sell their stocks had to wait until approx. 1954 until they regained their pre-Depression value. Of course, things cost more in 1954 than they did in 1929, so they were technically still at a loss.

If your accounts are down, at this point the only practical thing to do is hold on and wait, selling at a loss is just about the worst thing you can do unless you are reasonably sure your accounts are heading lower.

In January 1999 General Motors (GM) was valued at $87.00 per share of common stock, opening price this morning is $1.77 and I believe it will eventually go to $0.00. All common stock shareholder equity will be wiped out. So what do you do if you are holding GM? Take your $1.77 and run, hold on and hope it regains value or potentially watch it go to zero.

If you had an extra $10K in cash would you gamble on 5649.71 shares of GM?

We are in a worldwide economic crisis that is unprecedented. There are so many factors that are screwed both here and abroad that there is no way to predict what is going to happen and every attempt to "fix" something sends waves throughout the economy.

We (The United States) are bankrupt and continue to borrow, spend and print with abandon. Hopefully, through the grace of God, we will be able to claw our way back but it is going to be difficult and by no means certain.

Dave
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #52  
There were some very big fiscal mistakes made after the first depression of 1929. Hopefully we have learned our lessons well. Ben Bernake is a scholar in study of the first depression. I'm sure he knows not to make the same mistakes twice. (I hope, I hope, I hope) We are going to be in this for a while, so that the lending institutions can write off the trillions of worthless debt. 3-5 years....then maybe real recovery can begin.:eek:
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #53  
Great topic, I am sitting here waiting for two things, the market to open so I can sell, sell, sell and for the outside temp to get above 5deg.

I have an idea, Michigan ranks fifth for most foreclosures. These houses (I am waiting to here about an offer we have on one of them) can be had for less than 50% of selling price three years ago. How about a three year tax moratorium on 401k and IRA withdrawals to purchase and renovate and resell these houses. It would take a load off of this toxic bank assets, revive Home improvement, building material mfrs, maybe sell more pickups. Unfortunately it would take more money out of markets which wouldnt help things...
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #54  
That is an interesting idea. If people could move their 401k balances out of stocks that are 50% down into real estate that is also 50% down, at least they'd own the real estate. The danger with stock as just mentioned with GM is that it can go to 0. The problem with real estate is having to insure it, paying the real estate taxes on it and maintaining it. Ultimately, the problem is in converting real estate to spendable cash to live on in retirement.

The other post is correct too that stock values have dropped and the purchasing power of the dollar has also dropped. A double whammy.

One additional consideration is to research the risk/return ratings the investments in your 401k portfolio. There may be reasons to dump some investments and move into more stable ones.
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #55  
Just Makes me sick to watch my 401 shrink day by day. What I once had is now gone.My planner keeps telling me to stay the course. I just don't know if I have the stomach to do it. I wish I hadn't listened to him & sold & went to the money market fund when things started to drop.:( I may have lost in the long run but, Atleast,I would have something now
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #56  
...........<snip>.....................One additional consideration is to research the risk/return ratings the investments in your 401k portfolio. There may be reasons to dump some investments and move into more stable ones.

Good point. If you want to switch investments in a taxable account (not IRA, 401(k), etc), now is a good time to do it because you will have minimal capital gains on the sale and you may well even have a loss. You can use this paper loss to offset any capital gains, dividends and up to $3000 / year of ordinary income. You can carry this loss forward until it is used up.

And if you exchange for a stock or equity mutual fund, you have still held your position in the market and will benefit from the eventual rebound of the market.
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #57  
I wish I hadn't listened to him & sold & went to the money market fund when things started to drop.:( I may have lost in the long run but, Atleast,I would have something now
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Good Evenin Ken,
When I got layed off from Pitney Bowes in Nov of 2007 I had to make some decisions on what to do with my 401K. By Januaury of 08 I had rolled it over into a defined IRA with Opinheimer sp? I decided to put it into money market funds, after talking it over with my advisor. Even with the money market funds I have lost a few bucks but nothing like what it would have been had I stayed in the 401K the way I was invested ! Looking back on it now I wish I had taken it all and put it into old fashioned CD's ! :confused: But thats water over the dam now isnt it ? :eek:

BTW, some duplication in this post from my post #4 sorry, but then I am a bit forgetful ! :eek:
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #58  
January 2009... Congress gave me a 5.8% COLA on my Navy retirement! My 401K's are long shot during the past few years... I'm surprised I've not got a bill to put more into my accounts to cover the shortage... I started a account a few years ago at a local bank (Farmers & Merchants)... Money market account paying 3%... Put $40.000 dollars in it and two years later I was being charged $10.00 a month to manage the account... Every time the FEDS dropped the rate, I was cheated. I don't know where to put money anymore? Granddad used his matress... I'm thinking the same! Divided up DaDs money collection a few months ago with my sisters... At least we have silver coin now!

mark
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone?
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#59  
People at my job are stopping deferrals left and right...

The 401k fund administrator keeps repeating the mantra... stay the course.

We had our first round of layoffs along with reduced hours for those that aren't laid-off.

Just left the office of one of the Senior Managers let go... she is old enough for Social Security. She's lost almost 100k in the last 9 months and asked me what to do...

I couldn't offer any advice...
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #60  
Only a 100K... she is lucky!

mark
 

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