401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone?

   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #111  
By following the discussions on that site you are getting better advice than anything you will see here! :)

Bogle (founder of Vanguard) is a genius.

The 403b lets us take $ out for education or retirement while the 529 says it must be used for education. I have her $ going into an S&P 500 fund now(just found the paper work), its good to know its in the right spot! I plan, when shes ready for college searching for every single scholarship available. We were told by a friend of ours that there are some groups that cant find people to give money too.
this is a bogleheads discussion on the same topic of 529 vs 403b Bogleheads

Nowhere in that discussion that I can find does anyone recommend using a 403b to pay for education. Nowhere.
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #112  
Sorry was reading a few different posts at the same time, I thought I posted the one I was reading.

Expected Family Contribution: The federal formula that determines how much your family should be able to contribute is based on a percentage of both parents' (30%) and child's (50%) previous year's incomes, and a percentage of parents' (up to 5.6%) and child's (35%) assets assumed available to spend down - all recalculated yearly. 529 plans became much more attractive to families expecting financial aid when the Higher Education Act was revised to treat them as parents' assets regardless of how they're titled. However, assets in retirement accounts go one better because they're not counted at all, which means that amounts in 401(k), IRA, 403(b), federal thrift plans, or other similar accounts are considered unavailable; the same is true for home equity. (To read more, see Choosing The Right Type Of 529 Plan and Clearing Up Tax Confusion For College Savings Accounts.)Pay For A College Education With Retirement Funds

Of course, if an investor does make an early 403b withdrawal, he might still be required to pay the tax penalty of 10 percent to the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). The tax penalty would apply unless he can show that the money was withdrawn because of death, disability, or an unreimbursed medical expense which exceeds 7.5 percent of adjusted gross income (AGI). Another scenario where the investor would not need to pay the 10 percent tax penalty would be if he was required via court order to send money to his ex-spouse or dependents. In addition, if an investor is separated from her service via termination, permanent layoff, taking an early retirement, or quitting, if she is 55 years of age or older at the time of termination, and if she is able to establish a schedule of equal payments over her life expectancy, these scenarios might enable the investor to avoid the tax penalty. What Are the Rules for a 403b Withdrawal?
When she is in College I will be around the 55 years old mark.

We have been working so hard at controlling all debt. We will have no credit card debt in less then 9 mts, and will only have a car payment and the house payment as large amounts of debt. Once the day care is done, we can fully fund our retirement and school funds. Dave Ramsey's books helped us so much. On top of just being sick of debt. I also take 1/2 of the money I make selling spoons/doing the craft/art fair scene and put it away for her. We had so many medical bills with her(5 IVF's) that we are trying to do every little thing to help her out.
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #113  
I'm not sure if I'm following you or you're not following me. The companies that make up the DJIA do not stay consistent through time. As companies go broke they move out and as companies begin to flourish they move in. I don't see how you can compare a chart from 1998 with one from today when probably 20-30% of the companies on the "index" are no longer a part of it.

I understand that the index is simply relative. In fact, a quick look of almost any Fortune 500 company their stock would almost exactly mirror the DJIA.

In my view, if you wanted to compare the index of yesterday to today you need to keep the players the same. What would the DJIA look like if all the companies that made it up in 1998 were still in it?

The reason you invest in an index fund is just for the reason you mention as a negative. I do not own a single stock nor do I want too. We have a collection of a variety of funds that invest in many different companies and countries. I really don't give a rats behind if Company A is in the DIJA today and not tomorrow. If the company no longer meets the standard of a particular fund it is sold off and another company moves in. Companies live and die just like people. Very few companies last a human lifetime.

If the fund is designed to follow the Dow, S&P 500, Wilshire, etc, one wants to see ones investment increase at that index's rate, and which companies are in list is a who cares. Most companies do not have consistent performance and the idea is that an index comprised of a group of companies will outperform any single company of the long term. I want to see our investments increase in step with the long term average of the stock market or a particular index. I do not want to be tied to the performance of any one company.

Later,
Dan
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone?
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#114  
I can see both sides...

Living in the SF Bay Area I know quite a few that were in the right place at the right time... my brother is in Real Estate and 20 or 30 somethings with cash are not unusual.

My God sister took a summer job for a little start up company in Cupertino between her Junior and Senior year in High School... after graduation, she went full time and put the max into the company stock fund on the advice of her Dad... Apple Computer has done very well by her.

She retired in her 30's to be a full time mom... her stock was enough to buy a home.

Thing is there were many like her that found a home in a Start-Up...

Apple is the only stock she has ever owned.

Makes me think given the choice... I'd rather be Lucky than Smart...
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #115  
Slow and steady wins the race.
Pigs get fat. Hogs get slaughtered.
Etc....

What's worked best for us is to live well below our means just in case....
 
   / 401K's a sinking ship? Options Anyone? #116  
I can see both sides...

Living in the SF Bay Area I know quite a few that were in the right place at the right time... my brother is in Real Estate and 20 or 30 somethings with cash are not unusual.

My God sister took a summer job for a little start up company in Cupertino between her Junior and Senior year in High School... after graduation, she went full time and put the max into the company stock fund on the advice of her Dad... Apple Computer has done very well by her.

She retired in her 30's to be a full time mom... her stock was enough to buy a home.

Thing is there were many like her that found a home in a Start-Up...

Apple is the only stock she has ever owned.

Makes me think given the choice... I'd rather be Lucky than Smart...

Apple almost went out of business years ago. Sometimes you get a winner, sometimes you get Enron.

Later,
Dan
 

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