Hybrid Power Trac

[ToolcatWonka5610]

I'm new to power-tracs. What brand is their Diesel engines?

 

[SnowRidge]

I'm new to power-tracs. What brand is their Diesel engines?

They currently use Deutz diesels, and in the smaller machines, Robin gassers.

No guarantee on what they will be flogging in the future.

 

[jas67]

Check this out:

Inside Bruce Crower’s Six-Stroke Engine: AutoWeek Magazine

This engine uses the concept of capture some of the energy normally wasted through the cooling system.

In my post I was thinking of, and referring to, a coal or nuclear fired steam plants which are the dominant source of electricity in this country. I agree with your comment about turbines fired with natural gas and fitted with a secondary system to improve overall efficiency. My understanding is that such secondary systems can, in theory, be fitted to mobil applications but are not because of size, weight, and economic considerations.

 

[jas67]

I think an old electric forklift would provide all the motors and hydraulics you need for this project.

So what would be more efficient. Electric wheel motors and pto pump, or on big motor driving the master hydraulic pump? Could you get motors small enough to be wheel motors yet strong enough to move 2000 lbs.

I assume the consensus is the 425 would be the ideal platform given use times vs size?

 

[woodlandfarms]

A friend of mine is an electronics wiz, not much of a mechanic, but he as come up with an interesting prototype design for boosting mileage using hydrogen.

As he explained it, you take the excess amperage available from the alternator (lets say it is free energy) then he an a friend came up with a different sort of metal to do the hydrogen breakup (am I beginning to sound like this is way over my head). A metal that is cheaper and supposedly more efficient (this is where he came into the project). Then you feed the hydrogen back to the engine, reducing the gas needed.

Initially it is only working on normally aspirated engines carbed (not fuel injected). He brought it to me thinking one of my vehicles was carbed but now all I have is fuel injected.

Wonder if it will work, he says it does... All seems like snake oil to me....

 

[SnowRidge]

A friend of mine is an electronics wiz, not much of a mechanic, but he as come up with an interesting prototype design for boosting mileage using hydrogen.

As he explained it, you take the excess amperage available from the alternator (lets say it is free energy) then he an a friend came up with a different sort of metal to do the hydrogen breakup (am I beginning to sound like this is way over my head). A metal that is cheaper and supposedly more efficient (this is where he came into the project). Then you feed the hydrogen back to the engine, reducing the gas needed.

Initially it is only working on normally aspirated engines carbed (not fuel injected). He brought it to me thinking one of my vehicles was carbed but now all I have is fuel injected.

Wonder if it will work, he says it does... All seems like snake oil to me....

There is no such thing as excess (free) energy from the alternator, unless it is a permanent magnet excited, shunt regulated alternator, which produces power whether it is needed or not, thereby wasting fuel part or most of the time. Most vehicle alternators are field excited and regulated, and don't put out any excess energy. Every bit that is generated requires engine power and a bit of fuel to do so. When the regulator dials back the amount of power being produced by the alternator, some amount of fuel is saved.

There are all kinds of hydrogen injection schemes being foisted off of the public these days. None of them have been shown to actually produce any useful amount of power with an accompanying fuel savings. Remember, generating hydrogen by breaking down water through electrolysis requires more energy than it produces -- always.

Point your "friend" to "Run Your Car On Water" Scheme Could Leave Consumers All Wet

Better yet, point his friends to it.

 

[ponytug]

Carl,

I'm with SnowRidge 110%. There is no such thing as a free lunch. This is 100% snake oil, at best he is fooling himself, at worst...

The alternator functions as SR describes, and it has been covered in other posts here. If the alternator put out excess energy, you would boil the water out of your batteries. (Which does happen when the regulator fails, but not otherwise.)

My short advice is if you hear the word hydrogen, and it isn't dihydrogen monoxide, run for the hills.

All the best,

Peter

A friend of mine is an electronics wiz, not much of a mechanic, but he as come up with an interesting prototype design for boosting mileage using hydrogen.

As he explained it, you take the excess amperage available from the alternator (lets say it is free energy) then he an a friend came up with a different sort of metal to do the hydrogen breakup (am I beginning to sound like this is way over my head). A metal that is cheaper and supposedly more efficient (this is where he came into the project). Then you feed the hydrogen back to the engine, reducing the gas needed.

Initially it is only working on normally aspirated engines carbed (not fuel injected). He brought it to me thinking one of my vehicles was carbed but now all I have is fuel injected.

Wonder if it will work, he says it does... All seems like snake oil to me....

 

[woodlandfarms]

glad I sold my car with the carburator. I like this guy enough to have trusted his input...

 

[Charlie_Iliff]

I never saw it, but heard of a boat that took fishing parties out on Long Island Sound - running on water. Nearly every trip, the engine would shut down. The skipper would grab a bucket & funnel and dump a couple of buckets of water into his fuel tank. What he had was a very high fuel pickup, just for the scam, and floated the fuel up to the pickup with water underneath. I never heard what happened to him if he encountered rough weather and sent a slug of seawater to his engine.
He didn't make any money selling water-fuel technology, but must have had a lot of fun.

 

[MossRoad]

There are some ongoing discussions here on TBN regarding the hydrogen topic. There are some links in there to a few websites as well.

There are two different schools of thought on this.

1. Free energy. Consensus is pretty much 100% that there's no such thing.
2. More efficient fuel burn. This one is intriguing. A few of the sites suggest that by adding the gas (which is not pure hydrogen) to the air stream it helps the gasoline burn more efficiently. One site gives the plans away for free with a build list, so the guy doesn't appear to be dishonest.

Anyhow, it is fun reading and I don't want to start the arguments about whether it will work or not.