Stupid question. Do you have to store diesel in 5 gal YELLOW can versus RED?

[LBrown59]

I appreciate your point but there is another issue to consider besides profit and convenience and that would be safety/regulation/environment. If the EPA knew that all gasoline cans had filler neck too small to permit complete noozle entry so that every day thousands of gallons of fuel were being spilt on the filling station ground, it is likely there would be some action to correct that engineering mismatch. I imagine the numbers of yellow cans is small in comparison to gas cans so it doesn't show up on their radar screen. Maybe the yellow cans would cost a bit more but I'd be happy to pay an extra buck to avoid the stench of diesel fuel in the back of my car.

If they can make them small.
If they can make them big .
Then no reason they can't make them all big and forget the
small and make all the cans with large openings.

 

[patrick_g]

If they can make them small.
If they can make them big .
Then no reason they can't make them all big and forget the
small and make all the cans with large openings.

Talk to your congressman.

Recall when the nozzle size changed and why?

It was in compliance with Federal regulation. Cars came out with smaller fill ports (to restrict the use of leaded fuel) that fit the new lo-lead/no-lead fuel nozzles that were introduced at the pumps.

It is not reasonable to force big trucks to pump hundreds of gallons through a small, auto sized, nozzle so there are many large diameter diesel nozzles in use.

There is no longer a reason for cars to have small diameter fill ports or for stations to have small diameter, matching, nozzles. Still, do we need gas nozzles as large as diesel Big Rig filling nozzles?

With the current small diameter fill ports on cars we would have to be careful how we UPSIZED the plastic fuel containers because we still need small nozzles.

Clear as mud, huh? It may or may not require an act of congress to get this properly straightened out but it could take a change of Federal regulation, so... contacting your congressman is a reasonable place to start.

Alternatively, you can start a plastic fuel container manufacturing operation and make yellow containers with big openings.

Pat

 

[IslandTractor]

Alternatively, you can start a plastic fuel container manufacturing operation and make yellow containers with big openings.

Pat

Actually all we'd need is a screw on adapter that accepted the wider truck style diesel pump nozzles. The current opening is large enough to accept full flow of diesel it is just too small to admit the nozzle itself. If someone produced a molded screw on extension with an extra quarter inch or so of clearance it would solve the problem.

I currently use a funnel but that means balancing the funnel and making sure I don't overflow it. It also means remembering the funnel and storing it so you don't have diesel fumes to deal with. Actually I do have a Bobcat branded plastic funnel that has screw on top and bottom caps so the smell issue is not such a big deal.

 

[patrick_g]

Actually all we'd need is a screw on adapter that accepted the wider truck style diesel pump nozzles. The current opening is large enough to accept full flow of diesel it is just too small to admit the nozzle itself.

The larger size diesel nozzles of my experience would provide you a great shower if you tried to direct their flow into an adapter necked down to fit the standard size opening. The vent on the standard container is way to small to handle the flow rate of the big diesel fuel nozzles. Pressure will build up and you will get a bath. If you are lucky you may find one you can "throttle back" sufficiently to allow you to fill the container in repetitive spurts with out being spritzed with diesel.

Give it a try, prove me wrong. Adapt some thin wall metal tubing or PVC to a threaded cap to prototype your suggestion and give it a whorl. I'd do the preliminary testing wearing old clothes.

Pat

 

[IslandTractor]

The larger size diesel nozzles of my experience would provide you a great shower if you tried to direct their flow into an adapter necked down to fit the standard size opening. The vent on the standard container is way to small to handle the flow rate of the big diesel fuel nozzles. Pat

You have a point. The container opening is exactly the size of the fluid flow from the nozzle.

 

[LBrown59]

I would take either my 15 30 or 55 gallon drum .
The fill opening in them is large enough to accomidate both the large and small Pump Hose Nozzles at all of the service stations and truck stops.

 

[laen64]

HooAh! that's the Army Way to do it.
you will always know the difference.

 

[Skyco]

It is not reasonable to force big trucks to pump hundreds of gallons through a small, auto sized, nozzle so there are many large diameter diesel nozzles in use.

Then why do so many truckers use the "Auto Diesel" pump at one of my formerly favorite fuel stops?
I finally quit going there after too many times waiting too long for some trucker who couldn't read or didn't care, tying up the only pump with a small nozzle.

My F350 has the large openings but the vent design is poor and I usually can't throttle the big nozzles down enough to not get burped on.

 

[AKwelder]

the small neck and restrictor thing in gas vehicle filler necks has another job. Anti-theft, meaning anti-siphon. They want there cars to not be the one thieves don't attack for fuel, remember last summer. now thieves just drill a hole in the bottom of the tank.

My ford diesel has the worst fuel filler neck, and they all do. takes forever to fill and there is no way i can get full flow with out a burp or spit up

 

[Skyco]

My ford diesel has the worst fuel filler neck, and they all do. takes forever to fill and there is no way i can get full flow with out a burp or spit up

There is a fix, I've been meaning to do it for years. Basically it involves re-routing the vent hose externally instead of inside the filler neck hose...maybe some day I'll get a roundtuit.