Towing 14K trailer

   / Towing 14K trailer #41  
Bumper pull... is this discussion really about hooking your trailer up to a ball mounted on the rear bumper??

Or is this about towing with a weight distributing hitch that is mounted to the truck frame?

My 3/4ton Chevy is rated to tow a trailer up to 14,700lbs. And the total Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) is 22,000lbs. I have a Class IV or V hitch.

When I brought my JD 110 and attachments up from Washington state last year the trailer and load weighed 13,760lbs. The trailer title lists the trailer weight at 3,500lbs.

Now.... the heaviest ball and hitch I could find was only rated for 10,000lbs!!! So, technically I could have been cited and fined for towing without adequate equipment. As, the trailer and load exceeded the capacity of the ball hitch; by almost 2 tons.

(Anybody ever seen a ball and hitch that fits a standard sized receiver rated for more than 10K??? Let me know; cause I'd buy one if I could find one! :D)

And yes, I don't believe you need a CDL in Alaska if you're working with less than 26K GCWR. :cool:

AKfish
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #42  
Bumper pull... is this discussion really about hooking your trailer up to a ball mounted on the rear bumper??

Or is this about towing with a weight distributing hitch that is mounted to the truck frame?

My 3/4ton Chevy is rated to tow a trailer up to 14,700lbs. And the total Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR) is 22,000lbs. I have a Class IV or V hitch.

When I brought my JD 110 and attachments up from Washington state last year the trailer and load weighed 13,760lbs. The trailer title lists the trailer weight at 3,500lbs.

Now.... the heaviest ball and hitch I could find was only rated for 10,000lbs!!! So, technically I could have been cited and fined for towing without adequate equipment. As, the trailer and load exceeded the capacity of the ball hitch; by almost 2 tons.

(Anybody ever seen a ball and hitch that fits a standard sized receiver rated for more than 10K??? Let me know; cause I'd buy one if I could find one! :D)

And yes, I don't believe you need a CDL in Alaska if you're working with less than 26K GCWR. :cool:

AKfish

When we are talking bumper pull we are talking off the rear of the truck. As you and many know, the bumpers are usually rated at a max of 5,000#.

Your truck has a max tow limit of 14,700# but that is off the 5th wheel or GN. GM 2500 series trucks are limited to about 12,000# off the Reese style receiver hitch.

As for the ball mounts I have seen them rated upto 15,000#. You have to hunt them out. You will not get them at your local WalMart. You must order them through a good RV dealer or mail/internet hitch company. The problem you have is a common one. I sold a boat to a guy and he showed up at my shop to pull home his new 14,000# boat with a bar and ball that were rated at 6,000#. I had to sell him one of mine and order a new one.

The hitch problem has been solved for 3/4 and 1 ton trucks. Ford was first with a 2.5" unit and the aftermarket followed. GM now puts 2.5" hitches on all the 3/4 tons and up. Not sure about Dodge but I do not think they have upgraded yet. These hitches are about 50% stronger than the factory 2" units.

Chris
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #43  
I bought a new deckover bp last year & needed a new ball mount & ball. Went to my local steel supplier who also stocks trailer hardware & picked up a 2" 20,000 forged ball mount & 30,000 ball with 2" riser. These parts fit the height I was after but the trailer is only 14K.

I took the trailer with a 6' level, tape measure, then mixed and matched parts in his parking lot until I got the ball height right.

Find a retailer who is serious about trailer towing. The hardware is out there.

Sold the old trailer and it's pintle/ball combo with 15 ton rating.
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #44  
Now.... the heaviest ball and hitch I could find was only rated for 10,000lbs!!! So, technically I could have been cited and fined for towing without adequate equipment. As, the trailer and load exceeded the capacity of the ball hitch; by almost 2 tons.

(Anybody ever seen a ball and hitch that fits a standard sized receiver rated for more than 10K??? Let me know; cause I'd buy one if I could find one! )
I have a 14K/2K ball mount and crazy as this sounds they are mostly found in aluminum. It must have to due with no welding done to the billet design. Mine is a Diversi-tech unit easy found online even maybe Epay. And it is 2" because I couldn't find (go figure) the rise I wanted in 2.5". Make sure you order the right hole for your ball in whatever you get.
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #45  
That is not correct

Here is the link for you

DK45S/10k Trailer - Page 3 - TractorByNet.com

Duffster,
If you read my post and the rules you will see that in NY State anyone with a regular drivers license (Class D) can now tow a trailer of more than 10K providing the GCVWR of the truck and trailer is less than 26,000 lb. That also means than anyone with a class B can do the same as long as the GCVWR of the truck and trailer is less than 26,000 lb.

A class B CDL license also allows for operation of a single vehicle of more than 26,000 lb.
If the class B operator decides to tow a trailer he is limited the same as a class D operator of not more than 26,000 GCVWR for truck and trailer. Such as a 12,000 lb truck towing a 14,000 lb trailer would be legal with a class D or B.

If the truck alone weighs more than 26K a class B CDL is required. If the class B operator is driving a truck the weighs over 26K and wants to tow a trailer he or she is then limited to 10K.

I don't know how much simpler I can make it and for NY this is correct.

According to Builders and Tinmans PA posts you need a class A for a truck to tow a trailer over 10K which isn't the case in NY anymore.
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #46  
Duffster,
If you read my post and the rules you will see that in NY State anyone with a regular drivers license (Class D) can now tow a trailer of more than 10K providing the GCVWR of the truck and trailer is less than 26,000 lb. That also means than anyone with a class B can do the same as long as the GCVWR of the truck and trailer is less than 26,000 lb.

A class B CDL license allows for operation of a single vehicle of more than 26,000 lb.
If the class B operator decides to tow a trailer he is limited the same as a class D operator of not more than 26,000 GCVWR for truck and trailer. Such as a 12,000 lb truck towing a 14,000 lb trailer would be legal with a class D or B.

If the truck alone weighs more than 26K a class B CDL is required. If the class B operator is driving a truck the weighs over 26K and wants to tow a trailer he or she is then limited to 10K.

I don't know how much simpler I can make it and for NY this is correct.

According to Builders and Tinmans PA posts you need a class A for a truck to tow a trailer over 10K which isn't the case in NY anymore.

I suggest you reread Builder's & Tinman's posts again

See the DK45S/10K trailer post for NY and PA license requirements for trailers over 10K. If the GCVWR is under 26,000 lb. NY doesn't require a CDL, PA does.

This is the part that is incorrect;)
 
Last edited:
   / Towing 14K trailer #47  
Originally Posted by George2615 View Post
See the DK45S/10K trailer post for NY and PA license requirements for trailers over 10K. If the GCVWR is under 26,000 lb. NY doesn't require a CDL, PA does.

Duffster, What part of this are you saying is incorrect. Are you saying PA now allows trailers over 10K without a CDL or the NY part not requiring a CDL?
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #48  
Originally Posted by George2615 View Post
See the DK45S/10K trailer post for NY and PA license requirements for trailers over 10K. If the GCVWR is under 26,000 lb. NY doesn't require a CDL, PA does.

Duffster, What part of this are you saying is incorrect. Are you saying PA now allows trailers over 10K without a CDL or the NY part not requiring a CDL?

Neither NY or Pa require a CDL for a trailer over 10k if the combo is under 26k

Please post the part where it says PA requires a CDL for a 10k+ trailer if the combo is under 26k
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #49  
Default Re: DK45S/10k Trailer
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms...rms/mv-70S.pdf

What Class of Driver's License Do You Need?
In Pennsylvania, driverç—´ licenses are issued specifically for the class and type of vehicle you operate. Therefore, the class of driverç—´ license you should have depends specifically upon the type of vehicle you operate. Generally speaking, the majority of applicants for a Pennsylvania driverç—´ license will be operators of regular passenger vehicles, pick-up trucks or vans.

Classes of Driver's Licenses
Non-commercial Driver's Licenses
CLASS A (minimum age 18): Required to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, where the vehicle(s) being towed is/are in excess of 10,000 pounds. Example: Recreational Vehicle, when the towing vehicle is rated at 11,000 pounds and the vehicle towed is rated at 15,500 pounds (total combination weight of 26,500 pounds).
CLASS B (minimum age 18): Required to operate any single vehicle rated in excess of 26,000 pounds. Example: Motor homes rated at 26,001 pounds or more.
CLASS C (minimum age 16): A Class C driverç—´ license will be issued to persons 16 years of age or older, who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any vehicles, except those requiring a Class M qualification, and who do not meet the definitions of Class A or Class B. Any firefighter or member of a rescue or emergency squad who is the holder of a Class C driverç—´ license and who has a certificate of authorization from a fire chief or head of the rescue or emergency squad will be authorized to operate any fire or emergency vehicle registered to that fire department, rescue or emergency squad or municipality. The holder of a Class C driverç—´ license is also authorized to drive a motorized pedalcycle (a motor-driven cycle) or a three-wheeled motorcycle equipped with an enclosed cab, but not a motorcycle.
CLASS M (minimum age 16): A Class M driverç—´ license will be issued to those persons 16 years of age or older who have demonstrated their ability to operate a motorcycle or motor-driven cycle. If a person is qualified to operate only a motorcycle or motor-driven cycle, he/she will be issued a Class M driverç—´ license. If your motorcycle is less than 50 CCs, an ? restriction will appear on your driverç—´ license. This restriction prohibits you from operating a motorcycle 50 CCs or larger.


Commercial Driver's Licenses - Classes A, B or C
CLASS A (minimum age 18): A Class A license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class A license is qualified to operate vehicles for which a Class B or Class C license is issued. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.
CLASS B (minimum age 18): A Class B license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more or any such vehicle towing a vehicle having a gross vehicle weight rating of not more than 10,000 pounds. The holder of a Class B license is qualified to operate vehicles for which a Class C license is issued. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.
CLASS C (minimum age 18): A Class C license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating of not more than 26,000 pounds or any combination of vehicles, except combination vehicles involving motorcycles, that does not meet the definition of a Class A or Class B vehicle. Where required, appropriate endorsements must be obtained.
NOTE: You must be 21 years of age or older to operate a Commercial Motor Vehicle on an interstate (traveling between two or more states). This applies to ALL classes.

In addition to the CDL classes, there are also special endorsements and restrictions that you must have to drive certain types of commercial vehicles. They are:

Endorsements/Restrictions
Endorsements The following authorizations are required when operating vehicles of the type listed:

H - Required to drive a vehicle with hazardous materials placards (you must be 21 years of age).
N - Required to drive a tank vehicle.
T - Required to drive double and triple trailers.
P - Required to drive a vehicle designed to carry 16 passengers or more including the driver (buses).
S - Required to drive a school bus. Designed to carry 11 passengers or more, including the driver.
X - Represents a combination of the hazardous materials and tank vehicle endorsements (you must be 21 years of age).

Restrictions The following restrictions prohibit you from operating certain type vehicles:

L - Restricts the driver to vehicles not equipped with air brakes.
B - Passenger endorsement restriction cannot drive Class A buses.
C - Passenger endorsement restriction cannot drive Class A or B buses


Then Tinmans post here is wrong because it says a Commercial or Non-Commercial Class A is required when towing a trailer of more than 10K. It also says a Class B is limited to a 10K trailer and be under 26k GCVWR. I don't see anywhere that anyone with a regular or class B license can tow a trailer over 10k. Maybe PA laws have changed like NY did in 95.
 
   / Towing 14K trailer #50  
Then Tinmans post here is wrong because it says a Commercial or Non-Commercial Class A is required when towing a trailer of more than 10K.
Commercial Driver's Licenses - Classes A, B or C
CLASS A: A Class A license is issued to those persons 18 years of age or older who have demonstrated their qualifications to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the gross vehicle weight rating of the vehicle or vehicles being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

You have to included the word in bold red when you read it:)
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

GENERATOR HOUSE POWERED BY TWIN (60 SERIES)  DETROIT 14.0L ENGINES (A50854)
GENERATOR HOUSE...
2007 Ford F-150 Pickup Truck (A50323)
2007 Ford F-150...
1987 FORD 2110 TRACTOR (A51222)
1987 FORD 2110...
2019 JOHN DEERE 317G SKID STEER (A51242)
2019 JOHN DEERE...
2009 Peterbilt 384 T/A Wet Kit Day Cab Truck Tactor (A50323)
2009 Peterbilt 384...
2017 F-550 Bucket Truck (A51039)
2017 F-550 Bucket...
 
Top