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L-ENTERPRISES
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Originally Posted by SpartanDieselTech
Not trying to be arrogant, but "it also might be worse than what it replaces" won't fly. Ive sat in one. I've driven one. I talk to a handful of the development engineers on virtually a daily basis. Scott (our head calibrator) has too.
It is as good or better an engine than the 6.4L. Yes, there is more emissions equipment. All of which are revised designs from what is equipped on the 6.4L and are far less prone to failure. The SCR is the only unfielded component, but has undergone a very large amount of testing.
The 6R140 transmission is physically stronger than the 5R110, and when calibrated properly will handle power levels that the stock 5R110 hardware will not.
It has an air-to-water intercooler. It has a VGT turbocharger with a mechanical wastegate. It has a 4-piston common rail injection pump. It has heads the size of a small house anchored to the block with the force of GOD and other design implementations that I could only WISH showed up on the market years ago. The 2-piece crankcase design used is even stronger than what is currently used in the 6.0/6.4L crankcases. The compacted graphite iron crankcase and alloy aluminum heads have very advanced metallurgy that you won't find anywhere else currently other than some of the higher end european cars.
Peak tuned power levels will be comparable to what we are seeing with the 6.4L (with totally stock parts) with, IMO, enhanced durability. Small bolt-on parts will *perhaps* make it even more capable.
When all aspects of engineering are looked at objectively (power, drivability, emissions, NVH, ect) there has not been a step backward in any progressing generation of the Powerstroke. 7.3 < 6.0 < 6.4 < 6.7.
The 7.3L has a garbage lower engine design (by today's standards) and a garbage injection system. The 6.0 has a garbage injection system and an emissions system with no durability. The 6.4L has, at worst, a questionable emissions system. The 6.7 for all practical purposes has none of the forementioned issues.
Not trying to be arrogant, but "it also might be worse than what it replaces" won't fly. Ive sat in one. I've driven one. I talk to a handful of the development engineers on virtually a daily basis. Scott (our head calibrator) has too.
It is as good or better an engine than the 6.4L. Yes, there is more emissions equipment. All of which are revised designs from what is equipped on the 6.4L and are far less prone to failure. The SCR is the only unfielded component, but has undergone a very large amount of testing.
The 6R140 transmission is physically stronger than the 5R110, and when calibrated properly will handle power levels that the stock 5R110 hardware will not.
It has an air-to-water intercooler. It has a VGT turbocharger with a mechanical wastegate. It has a 4-piston common rail injection pump. It has heads the size of a small house anchored to the block with the force of GOD and other design implementations that I could only WISH showed up on the market years ago. The 2-piece crankcase design used is even stronger than what is currently used in the 6.0/6.4L crankcases. The compacted graphite iron crankcase and alloy aluminum heads have very advanced metallurgy that you won't find anywhere else currently other than some of the higher end european cars.
Peak tuned power levels will be comparable to what we are seeing with the 6.4L (with totally stock parts) with, IMO, enhanced durability. Small bolt-on parts will *perhaps* make it even more capable.
When all aspects of engineering are looked at objectively (power, drivability, emissions, NVH, ect) there has not been a step backward in any progressing generation of the Powerstroke. 7.3 < 6.0 < 6.4 < 6.7.
The 7.3L has a garbage lower engine design (by today's standards) and a garbage injection system. The 6.0 has a garbage injection system and an emissions system with no durability. The 6.4L has, at worst, a questionable emissions system. The 6.7 for all practical purposes has none of the forementioned issues.
powerstroke444e
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Don't ya ever wonder if you told your favorite engine company build fuel eff/high hp/500k engine & don't worry about emissions what you would get??? Less fuel per hr and more work done, wouldn't that save the planet 1 gallon @ a time????
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I agree 100%. Yes, you can make emissions but at what cost. My first car, a 1986 Ford Escort GT got 35mpg mixed driving. How many cars now days come close to that? Another great idea by our government.
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I have mixed emotions on the 6.7. It's good to see improvements because that makes everyone else improve, but the 4th diesel in 8 years is too much change from Ford. Too much parts, confusion, and too many orphaned diesels like the 6L on the 6.4.
Worse yet, I don't like is seeing the Indiana Casting Complex shut its' doors forever and Ford building these engines in Mexico instead of the US.
Another American factory bites the dust and 1,100 American jobs lost and shipped out of the country.
Wonderful
http://www.indy.com/posts/navistar-s-closing-stirs-memories-more-concerns
Worse yet, I don't like is seeing the Indiana Casting Complex shut its' doors forever and Ford building these engines in Mexico instead of the US.
Another American factory bites the dust and 1,100 American jobs lost and shipped out of the country.
Wonderful
http://www.indy.com/posts/navistar-s-closing-stirs-memories-more-concerns
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schmism
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this is why i dont buy new crap.
Once it gets 5-10 years old and other people have vetted out the loosers is when there is enough data to determine the winner and thats when i might buy one. Oh and it comes with additional benefit that they are 60-80% original sticker price.
Once it gets 5-10 years old and other people have vetted out the loosers is when there is enough data to determine the winner and thats when i might buy one. Oh and it comes with additional benefit that they are 60-80% original sticker price.
Renze
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Thats exactly how i buy my cars... i buy them 10 years old, pay a fraction of the original sticker price and when it starts to fail, there's a yugoslavian or polish guy wanting to buy it for a good price, to use it as a taxi cab in the east...
For the price per year, i cant even drive a cheap Korean GM product 
Paystar
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Thanks Ford, but I'll stick to the old 7.3 International......it got fuel mileage.
