Keeping out the idiots...of the air...

   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #81  
Really? There's "nothing like" it? That doesn't seem all that obtrusive, to me. Merely, annoying, at worst.

If people are bothered by the noise you create, it's a public nuisance. That's not to say that it's not lawful, but it is annoying.

So, you really don't mind being annoying, but you hate to be annoyed?

I'm not going to get in a contest with you over this, but when you are doing everything safely, legally and under control of a tower and are threatened with a fine over the incident it can be a bit of a legal challenge. BTW: the aircraft in question(for me not the op) was a Cessna 172 which is quite a bit quieter than the average Harley, so I don't see how I am any more annoying than them especially since they go by at the end of your driveway and at this particular incident I was 1000' above the ground which is quite a bit higher than the minimum recommended in that area.
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #82  
Why can't the aircraft be muffled? I have long sense learned, to each his own but at the same time the less you offend the more you can enjoy doing the things you wish.

A legal ultralight is limited by a very strict weight requirement of 254 pounds. It is an interesting engineering challenge to get something to fly at that weight. That being said, most ultralights are also powered by 2 cycle engines that require a more elaborate exhaust to provide proper scavenging to operate properly and at peak HP. They also run at a higher engine RPM and have a low mass engine block that more easilly transmits engine noise. The small size of the aircraft requires a smaller faster rotating prop. All this adds up to more noise. Could they be made quiter? Of course they could, but not at a 254 LB weight limit...
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #83  
This last statement is absolutely correct. Common sense alone suggests staying at a safe altitude in case the engine quits. You know what they say about pilots: There are those who have experienced engine failure, and there are those who are going to...

The reason for questioning the OP on his location relative to the field, is that if he lives directly in the approach zone on one end of the field, there is simply no way to avoid flight close to his property when the prevailing wind favors flight in that direction. When taking off, the aircraft would be expected to be higher, but at full throttle and thus making a lot of noise. On landing, the aircraft would be expected to be much closer but close to idle. If you drive by the approach end of a commercial runway where 747's are landing, they are going to skim by because thats what they have to do, since they have little margin for error.

I personally have never seen anyone with a "circular field" smooth enough or groomed enough that it permits onmidirectional takeoffs and landings. It is normally enough of a job just trying to keep 2 runways maintained, let alone a field multiple times the surface area. It would also be much harder to get a permit for that kind of operation, since you would have to demonstrate freedom from navigational hazards over a much larger number of acres.

Generally speaking one tends to have prevailing winds from a particular direction. Most of the time, operation from the field would be the opposite to the prevailing wind unless it is near calm. Takeoff and landing would be in the same direction, again unless it was near calm. So claims of taking off in one direction and landing in another sound pretty wierd. It sounds more like unauthorized low altitude "buzzing" to me, but then it is being told by someone who does not understand the mechanics of flight and who won't come up with the facts regarding his location relative to the field. He could post an earth google image (without revealing the exact location showing the runway, with an "X" marks the spot) for his location that would shed some light on the issue.

If he is living off the end of the runway, close passage of the aircraft is unavoidable when conditions favor that direction. Then one has to understand whether the field was possibly in existance for many years but dormant (very common situation due to age or loss of medical) and the original owner sells to a new owner who buys specifcally because of the strip. If you can land your plane at home, you may save several hunderd $/month in hanger rental at the local public field and a lot of commuting time.

Nothing said prior detracts from the need to be considerate. Apparently the neighbor seldom takes off over the OP's home - must be wind based. Why then his approach is low over the OP is not clear to me, and normally it is possible to execute this part of the flight without bothering anyone.

Sure, you may have authorization to fly over a house at 75 feet, or 500 feet (I think most of us can tell the difference between those two extremes), but that doesn't mean you should, or that it's neighborly to do so.
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #84  
I got bored reading the whole thread, but it sure seems like the pilots who responded are arrogant jerks.

Are they all like that?

I guess those that posted schemes that could possibly kill someone are model citizens?

There are two sides of the story. My posts were to try and be helpful and reasonable without being judgemental. It might be more appropriate that you read a few more posts before casting aspersions, unjustifiably so.
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #85  
What does this thread have to do with building it yourself :D
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #86  
T normally it is possible to execute this part of the flight without bothering anyone.

Agreed, the pilot should be able to land without using power. Especially if the house in question is not near the touch down point. He either needs more training to do so, or now that he knows your unhappy about the noise, is simply a jerk.

I also agree the modified Harley riders, who make as much noise as they can, for the just sake of making it, are 10 times more annoying.
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air...
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#88  
Westcliffe01:

Apparently the neighbor seldom takes off over the OP's home - must be wind based. Why then his approach is low over the OP is not clear to me, and normally it is possible to execute this part of the flight without bothering anyone.

The days he flies are always, to my knowledge, fair weather days. I will take more notice of the winds.

He has never, that anyone here has seen, taken off over my house.

ray66v:

or now that he knows your unhappy about the noise, is simply a jerk.

Finger on my nose and pointing the other hand at you....BINGO!



 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #89  
Agreed, the pilot should be able to land without using power. Especially if the house in question is not near the touch down point. He either needs more training to do so, or now that he knows your unhappy about the noise, is simply a jerk.

I also agree the modified Harley riders, who make as much noise as they can, for the just sake of making it, are 10 times more annoying.

Don't forget about subwoofers crammed in the back of an Impala.
 
   / Keeping out the idiots...of the air... #90  
I've always been told that you should take off and land into the wind. Most airstrips are laid out this way. Why is he not following this practice?
Butch
 

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