Oil & Fuel Online Manual for Deutz Diesel?

[ponytug]

Wasabi-
I'm guessing that your 2445 is about five years old; my 2007 1445 has a wire mesh prefilter in the tank, an inline filter on the way to the engine, the prefilter on the engine, and the fuel filter on the engine. Deutz tries pretty hard to keep dirt out of the engine. Oh, and they use the fuel to drive the injectors, returning the filtered fuel to the tank, thereby cleaning the fuel in the tank multiple times. (on average) My old navstar diesel does the same thing. Terry said that the inline filter can be dispensed with. PT used them for awhile because the factory sent them that way, but then quite doing it.

Did the fuel filter replacement help? In the future, you might want to think about adding a diesel fuel conditioner with an algacide in it to help keep things from growing in your fuel. It would help not having the fuel crap out during the long storage of the fuel.

Can you describe a bit more of what you have checked?

Is it possible that the mechanical shutoff lever got switched to off? (Far right side of the engine, as you look at the the oil & fuel filters, just above the throttle lever.)

When you say that you aren't getting fuel to the injectors, have you loosened a fuel line to check? If you are getting fuel at the injector, you will need to have the injectors cleaned.

Did you check to see that fuel is being returned on the fuel return line? That would give you an indication that the fuel pump is working.

The 4 cylinder 2011 manual covers the 2 and 3 cylinders as well. If you something more detailed, you have to order the shop manual. (Pricey, but detailed- I haven't bought it, yet.)

All the best,

Peter

What kind of gunk? You may need to work backward on your system.

A few notes. I would, like the 425 guys, install a manual fuel cut off at the tank. I don't think our steel tank tractors have a prefilter at the tank, just at the engine. You might want to consider changing all your hoses. Mine cracked and it is a 2002 tractor. I have not changed the return line back to the tank yet. One of these days...

 

[wasabi]

meanwhile...back at the farm in the mountains...the 2445 saga slogs on...no fuel to jets

thanks for all the insights. Ponytug, Im not sure of exact age...bought it used...prob late 90's

new fuel (w/ additives), new filter, no luck. Screen and tubes ok..no fuel to jets
blew air into the tank...normal resistance, then bubbles. There is fuel to the little basket.
disconnected two tubes that go in and out of fuel filter....no sign of fuel when cranking.
fuel dissconect switch is electric...put new one in two years ago....nothing is unplugged.

my thought is bad fuel pump, but would like to rule other options out before pulling it.

thoughts?

 

[ponytug]

Dear Wasbi,

I have the Deutz FL2011 engine; on it the injection pump is downstream of both the fuel strainer and the fuel filter. That means that with a clean strainer, and fuel filter, you should be getting gravity flow of clean fuel out of the top of the filter. Do you?

With the age of the your machine, I am not sure which engine you have.

Where did you blow air in? Is it possible that there is loose crud in the line that plugs up once you start cranking?

My exploded diagram of the fuel strainer looks as if it has something protruding out the back; does yours?
FYI manuals:
FL2011 Owners manual
2011 parts manual (partial)

Good luck.

All the best,

Peter

meanwhile...back at the farm in the mountains...the 2445 saga slogs on...no fuel to jets

thanks for all the insights. Ponytug, Im not sure of exact age...bought it used...prob late 90's

new fuel (w/ additives), new filter, no luck. Screen and tubes ok..no fuel to jets
blew air into the tank...normal resistance, then bubbles. There is fuel to the little basket.
disconnected two tubes that go in and out of fuel filter....no sign of fuel when cranking.
fuel dissconect switch is electric...put new one in two years ago....nothing is unplugged.

my thought is bad fuel pump, but would like to rule other options out before pulling it.

thoughts?

 

[wasabi]

Peter,

Thanks very much for the links. The deutz in my 2445 is an F3L 1011 F. The fuel strainer basket is on the front of the fuel pump. Two short hoses connect it to the filter assembly to its left. I do have fuel to the strainer basket. If the bolt is slightly loose the drip is continuous leading me to think it is indeed gravity fed (depending on level of fuel tank)which at this point is full. I disconnected both those short hoses from the filter assembly and cranked it over with no output anywhere. This leads me to conclude the fuel pump is shot. I know a fellow who has them in stock and I can pick one up on my way to the farm...$70.00.

To blow air back into the tank I disconnected the feed hose from the pump near the basket and blew air back until I head bubbles. I guess it is possible there is still blockage in the tank, but then there should not be gravity trickle to the basket so I don't think thats the problem. Absolutely no flow to injectors no matter what I do....

 

[woodlandfarms]

Before you spend money on a fuel pump, check the electrical. The connector on my 1011 at the engine is trashed and causes me lots of problems. Get a volt meter, check with Terry, and make sure before you buy the new pump

Also, the hose to the basket should be a pour, not a dribble. Take the gas cap of and check to make sure....

Carl

 

[ponytug]

Dear Wasabi,

I would check the fuel cutoff before I bought the pump. (both the electrical and the actual solenoid.)

All the best,

Peter

Peter,

Thanks very much for the links. The deutz in my 2445 is an F3L 1011 F. The fuel strainer basket is on the front of the fuel pump. Two short hoses connect it to the filter assembly to its left. I do have fuel to the strainer basket. If the bolt is slightly loose the drip is continuous leading me to think it is indeed gravity fed (depending on level of fuel tank)which at this point is full. I disconnected both those short hoses from the filter assembly and cranked it over with no output anywhere. This leads me to conclude the fuel pump is shot. I know a fellow who has them in stock and I can pick one up on my way to the farm...$70.00.

To blow air back into the tank I disconnected the feed hose from the pump near the basket and blew air back until I head bubbles. I guess it is possible there is still blockage in the tank, but then there should not be gravity trickle to the basket so I don't think thats the problem. Absolutely no flow to injectors no matter what I do....

 

[jizagui]

I have a f3L 1011 and it blows oil out the exhaust but runs good it seems any ideas what might be wrong?

 

[woodlandfarms]

Are you sure it is oil? There might be a gasket issue but I think one of you valve stem seals is going out on your exhaust. Deutz being oil cooled is why I put a gasket issue down.

 

[whizbang]

I realize this thread is a little old but thought you may be able to give me some insight.

I have an old piggyback style forklift with a BF3L2011 engine. Its rusty but has always been reliable interms of starting. Literally never have had it not start and it isnt used frequently at all. Went to start it for the first time since last fall (ran great last time used) and it was pretty cold out (~30F), first attempt to crank it over I got some black exhaust as it sputtered but didnt quite fire. I gave the battery a charge and tried again. I got a little gray exhaust when it sputtered but, again, it didnt quite fire. I checked my fuel filter and it had fuel, pretty fresh stuff too. Any attempt after that and it wont fire and no exhaust. No fuel is getting to the injectors its seems. When fuel filter is cracked open a little and I crank the engine no fuel comes out, same for the pump. I pulled the electrical connection for the solenoid and checked that 12v is being fed to it and also when 12v is applied you can hear it engage. I also pressurized the tank with pump then filter cracked open slightly and was able to push fuel through, so there is no obstruction in my lines.

So, my theory is that my fuel pump itself has just stopped working, OR the arms/levers on the solenoid have broken.

Which is more likely?

I know if the solenoid is malfunctioning the injector pumps will not work, but is this true of the pump as well?

 

[SpringHollow]

I believe on mine, you can hear the solenoid throw.

Ken