cannot believe the difference

[MtnViewRanch]

Not a Bota or Massey but I have a gas 172cu in Ford 861 PowerMaster that is something like 48HP. If you are not familiar with the 800 series Fords they look like a 8N but about 50% bigger. Anyway I bought a 28HP 94 cu in Jinma diesel 4x4 and it will pull the guts out of the 861. The only place the 861 can beat the Jinma is in applications that are pure PTO like running a chipper. My Jinma will pull a 2 bottom plow and a 11' disc like its nothing and the 861 will struggle and forget the plow in virgin soil. The guy down the street has a older Ford 961 which is even bigger and he can not believe how these little compacts will work!

Chris

Chris, any chance that you have any pictures of your Jinma pulling that 11' disk. A lot of guys have said that they pull these wide disks with their smaller tractors. I would just like to see the type of disk and how deep that they till, that the smaller tractors are able to pull them.

Thanks

 

[CinderSchnauzer]

It would be interesting to compare the HP of the two tractors. I checked ritchiespecs.com but they don't show a 305.

Diesel technology has come a long way in the past 30 years, and I would think especially in small diesel engines. It wouldn't surprise me if that newer tractor had twice the hp between the larger displacement and the newer design.

Ken

According to Tractor Data


Challenger MT265B Power:

Engine:33.0 hp [24.6 kW]
PTO (claimed):26.0 hp [19.4 kW] (gear)
24.5 hp [18.3 kW] (hydro)
Kubota L305 Power:

Engine:30 hp [22.4 kW]
PTO (claimed):26 hp [19.4 kW]

 

[milkie62]

no subcompact is going to pull my disks (8.5') ford better than my old massey unless they have the shear weight and also they will need 4wd as compared to 2wd of my massey

 

[firemen122]

I to would like to see pictures of a 28 horse compact pulling an 11 foot disc. I had a 14 ft hung behind a 110 horse earlier this year and if I sunk it to the shafts it was all it wanted with any aggression at all set on the gangs. My 65 horse 4x4 does not care for an 11 foot disc when set to proper working angle and depth.

 

[Builder]

Sounds like we got a good ol fashioned smack down ready to happen.

In one corner we have a 28HP jimna pulling a 11' disc.

In the other corner we have a 28HP Jimna not pulling an 11' disc.

lol

 

[Sweden-Art]

Sounds like we got a good ol fashioned smack down ready to happen.

In one corner we have a 28HP jimna pulling a 11' disc.

In the other corner we have a 28HP Jimna not pulling an 11' disc.

lol

Or maybe in one corner we have 28HP Jinma pulling a 11' disc.

In the other corner a twice as much more expensive Kubota not pulling an 11' disc.

Maybe thats why the urge of pictures

 

[Diamondpilot]

Or maybe in one corner we have 28HP Jinma pulling a 11' disc.

In the other corner a twice a much more expensive Kubota not pulling an 11' disc.

Maybe thats why the urge of pictures

I do not have a picture of it pulling that disc but I have a link to a youtube of a fellow member of another site using his with a 12' disc and a 2 bottom plow. This is not my particular tractor, I have no video of mine plowing, but like I said it will out work my 861 and my buddies 961 any day of the week.

By the way the Jinma with me, FEL, and the wheel weights puts it at 5,200#. Mine dynoed at 31 HP on the PTO. I have been told the Chinesee rate them at a 12 hour rating for average HP while others rate at peak.

YouTube - Jinma 284 Doing Fall Plowing

He is pulling the heck out of this 2 bottom plow with no FEL for weight. My 861 would not come close to that speed.


YouTube - Jinma 284 and 12 Foot Disk Harrow

I agree on his disc he does not have any weight in the trays or a very aggressive angle but the 11' I pulled was just like it and we had it stacked with cinder blocks smoothing out a go cart track.

Chris

 

[firemen122]

I watched the video. He might as well have transport wheels on it. The gangs are straight no weight and on what appears to be fairly hard ground. I could hang a 40 footer behind my tractor like that!!!! Does not mean it will effectively work the implement. I am sure at 5000lbs and 4 wheel drive your new one will work rings around the old ford. I have a 901 powermaster that I still utilize, it has been in the family since the early 70's. Funny thing that old tractor always seems to keep running great even though it is a 1957 model. It will pull until it spins itself to the axle if you let it. It does not run out of power just traction. I am certain if I were to hang a front drive axle under her she would be a new beast. Show me a video of a 30 horse tractor pulling a 12 foot disc set aggressive with 20-22 inch blades with enough weight to make it sink to the shafts. Then I will be a converted believer in the raw power of a 30 horse cut!!! I can put a 15 ft batwing behind your tractor and clip 12 inch thin weeds all day to, does not mean it will work that batwing to its potential or even close. That is if I can feather the pto and get it turning without stalling the engine. Just my 2 cents

 

[MtnViewRanch]

I watched the video. He might as well have transport wheels on it. The gangs are straight no weight and on what appears to be fairly hard ground. I could hang a 40 footer behind my tractor like that!!!! Does not mean it will effectively work the implement. I am sure at 5000lbs and 4 wheel drive your new one will work rings around the old ford. I have a 901 powermaster that I still utilize, it has been in the family since the early 70's. Funny thing that old tractor always seems to keep running great even though it is a 1957 model. It will pull until it spins itself to the axle if you let it. It does not run out of power just traction. I am certain if I were to hang a front drive axle under her she would be a new beast. Show me a video of a 30 horse tractor pulling a 12 foot disc set aggressive with 20-22 inch blades with enough weight to make it sink to the shafts. Then I will be a converted believer in the raw power of a 30 horse cut!!! I can put a 15 ft batwing behind your tractor and clip 12 inch thin weeds all day to, does not mean it will work that batwing to its potential or even close. That is if I can feather the pto and get it turning without stalling the engine. Just my 2 cents

Come on now, are you trying to tell me that a 30hp tractor wouldn't pull these disks, in this soil, in this configuration. I guess that the next time that I get them out I will try them out behind my 3215HST. It has all four tires loaded, it will do it, right? No need for gear, it's hydro for me.

Actually my 8' disk has the 20, 22" blades, the 12 footer has 32, 22" blades. And I would love to see a smaller tractor pull either one. If conditions are right, that 12' disk will make the Cat D6 tracks slip in the ground.

 

[Diamondpilot]

You guys are right, there is no way my tractor would pull a disc of that size trough that soil. Our soil is hard clay in chunks. Your soil is soft sandy soil that you would sink in just walking through. Next time I do the neighborhood go cart track I will post a video of first the 961 pulling it then my Jinma. Like I said its a 11' and I have a 6' 3 point type and even with the trays full of cinder blocks we can not get more than 1/4 blade penetration due to the soil conditions.

No farmer around her uses disc much. They just use 12-16' chisel plows behind large 150 HP or bigger tractors to get the soil conditioned.

Chris