7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not?

   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #61  
My 2 cents are: for your light towing and limited miles per year, get a gas. I would recommend you look at the Chevy 1500HD. I also wanted a diesel and had similar needs as you. I bought a '01 7.3 Powerstroke Supercab with 135K miles for just about 10K. Buying used, you have to update all the maintenance since you have no idea what has been done. That adds $1000 at least. Diesels are expensive to maintain and fix. I then cracked the oil pan on a rock (that I had driven over multiple times before) and that cost $1500 to repair because the cab and engine had to be lifted. Just an oil change is 15 quarts. The costs mounted. The truck had a turning radius of a school bus. The back "seat" was too small for my kids carseats. The truck drove like a lawn mower: high center of gravity, no suspension, steering is cagey. I sold it for about even (not counting the oil pan since that was my fault.) Like someone said, the rear main seal was oozing.

The 1500HD drives soooo much nicer, has the crew cab, push button 4wd and auto 4wd. It has the 6L that tows great, especially for your needs. The tow rating is 10K. Gas mileage is better than the 7.3. So do yourself a favor and at least look at this truck. They are a little hard to find. I got mine on eBay for $10K, 2001 with 113k miles. The fuel savings on diesels are only applicable if you drive mega miles and tow > 8000.
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #62  
My 2 cents are: for your light towing and limited miles per year, get a gas. I would recommend you look at the Chevy 1500HD. I also wanted a diesel and had similar needs as you. I bought a '01 7.3 Powerstroke Supercab with 135K miles for just about 10K. Buying used, you have to update all the maintenance since you have no idea what has been done. That adds $1000 at least. Diesels are expensive to maintain and fix. I then cracked the oil pan on a rock (that I had driven over multiple times before) and that cost $1500 to repair because the cab and engine had to be lifted. Just an oil change is 15 quarts. The costs mounted. The truck had a turning radius of a school bus. The back "seat" was too small for my kids carseats. The truck drove like a lawn mower: high center of gravity, no suspension, steering is cagey. I sold it for about even (not counting the oil pan since that was my fault.) Like someone said, the rear main seal was oozing.

The 1500HD drives soooo much nicer, has the crew cab, push button 4wd and auto 4wd. It has the 6L that tows great, especially for your needs. The tow rating is 10K. Gas mileage is better than the 7.3. So do yourself a favor and at least look at this truck. They are a little hard to find. I got mine on eBay for $10K, 2001 with 113k miles. The fuel savings on diesels are only applicable if you drive mega miles and tow > 8000.

Doesn't sound like you have a gripe with diesel vs. gas, sounds like you just didn't like the Ford as much as you do the Chevy. Most of those issues are more confined to a certain brand rather than type of engine.

BTW, did you even read the past 6 pages before you posted?
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #63  
WH401,
Couldn't have said it any better!!!
DevilDog
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #64  
Doesn't sound like you have a gripe with diesel vs. gas, sounds like you just didn't like the Ford as much as you do the Chevy. Most of those issues are more confined to a certain brand rather than type of engine.

BTW, did you even read the past 6 pages before you posted?

I just posted in another thread that I need to get another truck for towing. I drove the new GM offerings (3 different trucks) and walked away realizing why GM went bankrupt. I am extremely disappointed with the current GM trucks. They definitely would be my last choice. My father and grandfather were diehard GM owners. Any other brand was a dirty word. After having a multitude of issues with GM trucks I bought a Dodge and loved it. I drove it 10 years with no issues. When I was ready for another truck at that time, I drove Dodge, GM and Ford trucks and decided I liked the Ford truck the best and bought one. It's been great. If someone thinks the crew cab of a GM truck has more room than a Ford, I don't know what to tell them. Measurements don't lie. Ride and drive are subjective. I strongly prefer Ford and Dodge trucks over GM offerings at this time.
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #65  
Dargo,

While I respect your opinion and expertise, I would have to disagree with your assessment. I am a Ford man, have always owned Ford trucks and still hold them in high regard. I have never owned a Dodge, but have many family members and friends who do, and they like them (I have nothing against them--just the ones I have driven have not had much pep--they were stock or mildly modified though). With some skepticism but a desire to buy a diesel 4x4 truck that would fit in the low-hanging parking deck at my work (which my 2008 Ford 250 would not) and would be a reasonable daily driver which could tow heavy when needed. I bought a 2009 GMC SLT 2500. It has been the most enjoyable truck to drive and operate I have owned so far. It is faster than my Ford, gets better mileage, is more comfortable, pulls better, is more quiet, and has better creature features for the wife and kids. My dealer, who I have seen mainly for routine service and the development of a small rattle which was repaired under warranty, is by far nicer and more helpful and efficient than any of the Ford dealers I have dealt with--and I knew them socially!! That said, I do think there are some features my Ford had that my GMC does not and also some situations where I felt my Ford performed better--just not many of them. There also seems to be some variability in build quality among these GM vehicles (interestingly seemingly more with the Chevy's than the GMC's it seems) and performance. My good friend at work has a 2007 GMC 2500 that looks and is spec'd similar to mine. He gets, on average 3 MPG less than I do on the highway despite being a more-conservative driver than I and his truck is nowhere near as fast. I drive about 30-40K per year and already have 15,000 on my truck which was purchased in May, 2009. My only explanation is that perhaps you might not have driven a 2500 (I did not read whether it was a 1500 or a gasser 2500, etc. that you drove) or perhaps you were exposed to some "bad apples" but so far there is not much comparison between my 250 and this rig--and you do not know how much it pains me to say that. I will say I think Ford still has the obvious edge in the larger dually pickups, from a GVWR perspective anyway.

John M
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #66  
I have an 01 F250 with 230K, It starts at 5 am and doesnt usually get turned off till I get home at 5or6, I drive 3-8 hours a day, and change my oil every other month at 10k miles.

If your looking for a truck just look on a jobsite. Most are fords, its for a reason. I know of several with over a million miles on them. Every one I know that has a dodge has all sorts of problems. (well, anyone that puts miles on them anyways). Dont get me wrong, the cummins is a great motor, If I see a ISX at a good price, It will be in my truck. But I wouldnt buy a dodge for it.
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not?
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I new I'd stir up a hornets nest with this one :rolleyes:
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #68  
jas67,

True, but actually this thread has been pretty good, all in all. For example, I do not agree with Dargo's assessment this time, but he and I usually do agree and I know he has some good points. Each brand, truth is and I know you know already, has its own advantages and disadvantages. Each also has components that suit a given buyer at a certain time. For example, the type truck for which I was looking most recently is very different from that which I might have needed two or three years ago. I would probably still be driving my Ford 2008 250 if I had not changed jobs. This promoted a chance to look at something different, and I am glad I did. I could not be more pleased with my purchase. You will like your purchase. Much of what has been maligned about the 6.0L engine in the Ford of your generation truck was based on the 2003 and 2004 model years and the fact that Ford handled warranty work poorly by blaming the customer and not conceding that it was due to engine design and manufacturing issues of which they knew. Sure, we will always have someone pop up saying that they had an '05 or '06 truck that had the worst engine ever or that they had a 2003 model that was perfect, but these are rare examples at best and usually make "print time." Your truck will be fine and I am glad you asked this opinion of the group. I think you bought a fine truck that will serve you well.

Chris, I agree with you about Fords populating jobsites, etc. I have always been a Ford man and was nearly disowned when I bought a "non-Ford." (My dad still cannot bring himself to say the actual brand name of what I bought). I will look at Fords again when time to buy another truck, but I would say the popularity of Ford trucks is based on many things, some of which I do not understand fully. I will, though, say there are many people out there like me who just knew it was time to get another Ford when it was time to buy another truck. They simply had never driven anything else. Even my local Ford dealer, a family friend, said "You don't want to buy a GM truck. The transmission is OK but with that J-- C--- engine and the rest of it, you won't be happy." When I finally bought one and not a Ford this time, he admitted to me later that he liked the GMC truck look and that he had actually never DRIVEN one to compare, only read manufacturer promotion literature and through his customers' feedback. I let him drive my new truck and he said not to tell anyone how well it drove and performed when he returned. We see this a lot here and I am sure you do as well in your locale. I looked in a different direction this time and am glad I did. I loved my 250 and have owned over 10 Ford P/u's in my driving life personally, plus have been exposed to many more with my dad's business, etc. Save one, they have been good trucks with little to complain about. One big reason I and others have gone with Ford over the years is the ability to find a truck often without having to resort to ordering it and being able to find a configuration platform one needs quickly. Ford just simply does a better job in stocking trucks than do GM or Dodge--in multiple permutations. This is but one of many reasons Ford is so popular; but interestingly, does not have much to do with their quality or performance. I like my Fords but now realize taking a serious look at each brand when buying is probably the smarter idea. The truth is all the big three make really good trucks now and one would have to try pretty hard to be unhappy with his or HER choice in a truck (this is in an attempt to be gender-friendly and is in honor of one of my other co-workers--a 4'11" fine female physician with whom I work who is from Aberdeen, Scotland originally and now wheels into the lot in her new Dodge 2500 P/U--with the Cummins I might add--which she bought to replace her--------Audi Coupe TT. Go figure. She was asking me about the Jacobs brake just last week.

John M
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #69  
I have an 01 F250 with 230K, It starts at 5 am and doesnt usually get turned off till I get home at 5or6, I drive 3-8 hours a day, and change my oil every other month at 10k miles.

If your looking for a truck just look on a jobsite. Most are fords, its for a reason. I know of several with over a million miles on them. Every one I know that has a dodge has all sorts of problems. (well, anyone that puts miles on them anyways). Dont get me wrong, the cummins is a great motor, If I see a ISX at a good price, It will be in my truck. But I wouldnt buy a dodge for it.

The reason you see more Fords on job sites is because Ford offers a better discount for fleet purchases. It hardly has anything to do with reliability as all of the big 3 make a good 3/4 - 1 ton product. Who has had good experience with what is usually different from another person, and everyone's concept of a "reliable" truck is different.
 
   / 7.3L Powerstroke or 5.9L Cummins with over 200k miles -- still lots of life, or not? #70  
I have absolutely no issue whatsoever with jcm disagreeing with me. I've admitted before that I own more GM stock than any other manufacturer's stock and still currently own 3 GM vehicles. My opinion is that Dodge and Ford trucks drive better than GM trucks. Unfortunately, I can line up all 3 GM vehicles I own from the oldest to the newest and can clearly point out how each newer model has had more shortcuts taken by GM and has lower quality fit and finish (not to mention lower quality materials) than the next older model. Besides my preference to the one ton dually Ford ride and drive over GM's offering, I personally feel that I can point out where GM took more shortcuts in the manufacturing of the trucks. However, if everyone felt as I do, my GM stock would have dropped to zero rather than down to just a buck a share. Okay, I'm feeling ill now....
 

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