BruceWard
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A load of firewood works well. If you get stuck at home you can burn it for heat.
Winter weights for a pickup
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Northland
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Holy moley, these videos are more biased than the two Impalas crashing into each other. How can you do a side by side comparison with two completely different cars??
I don't see how the videos are biased. They clearly show that regardless of the vehicles used "real" winter tires make the vehicle brake and handle far better. That was even evident with the truck and the Crown Vic. I now know why the cops up here still use Crown Vic's all winter-they have good winter tires.
I suppose that in order to appreciate the kind of conditions that some of us have to cope with, all winter, you would have to live here.
WilliamBos
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WilliamBos
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Handling characteristics are meaningless on ice and snow. The best handling vehicle on the planet is nothing with out traction, because that is key. And with out snow tires, you won't have that either.
Ductape
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So..... you think a vehicles weight doesn't matter? I also say things like spring rates,shocks, and such make a difference. For all we know, the MB has traction control. Comparing a Crown Vic with all season tires to a Benz with Snow Tires is hardly a good side-by-side comparison. Perhaps I should go into the advertising business and make videos of how Massey Ferguson tractors are far superior to John Deere by comparing a 50hp MF to a 33hp JD ???
Beyond using two completely different vehicles.......
If I'm driving the Crown Vic and intentionally let it spin out in a corner, yet the driver of the MB compensates when the rear end starts coming around....... how is that a scientific comparison?
THATS what I'm saying. No doubt snow tires are going to generally be better in the snow. That series of videos is bunk though.
Northland
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Huh? Did you actually watch the videos? The Mercedes does in fact have traction control-they actually mention that specifically.
Who do you think the series of videos is biased against? All-season tires? There are several makes and models of vehicles used and each one is switched to/from snow tires. They all had much improved handling. How can you argue that?
Why would the auto protection agency rig all the tests? You think they intentionally skidded all the all-season tire equipped vehicles off the road and slid through them all through the pilons to prove that snow tires are better in winter conditions then all-season tires?
Northland
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Agreed-much like my tractor sliding sideways on ice/snow inclines before I got chains on all four tires.
dodge man
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Duct tape, I'm guessing you didn't watch all the videos, because the swap winter tires on the Crown Vic and put regular tires on the Mercedes.
WilliamBos
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Exactly what is the worst weather you have driven in? The vehicles can weigh 50 tons, with out traction, they are useless.
Ductape
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I was probably laughing though the mention of the traction control. I wouldn't say they 'rigged' the tests, I'd say they 'over dramatized' the results.
In the braking tests, were the driver's reaction times exactly the same?
Did they switch drivers in the cars when they switched tires?
Did both vehicles actually brake at the same point, or did one hesitate?
Did the driver with the all season tires allow their car to spin?
Did the driver with snow tires correct their car when it got loose?
Did the driver with the all season tires put their foot into the throttle in the turn while the driver with the snows eased up on the throttle?
For the sake of argument, lets reverse the results. Are you going to tell me you could not possibly maintain control of a car with all season tires while i spun out the car with snow tires? You couldn't brake at the marker with the all seasons, while I hesitated till beyond the marker with the snow tires?
In this day and age, they couldn't come up with any mechanized or computerized tests for traction? Did you ever hear about NBC rigging a Chevy pickup with model rocket engines to ignite the outboard fuel tank in a crash test? Was there an agenda there? Did you see the video posted on TBN of the two Impalas crashing? Would you say it was NOT intentional that the 59 was hit just outside the frame rail?
Who are they trying to benefit? I'm guessing themselves.
Here in New Hampshire we regularly get snowstorms in the 12 to 18 inch range, and certainly not unheard of to get 2 feet or more in a storm. Perhaps you've heard of a 'Noreaster"? I've driven commercially for 25 years. I have been in the 24 hr. towing in dustry since I was 17.... with 12 yrs. owning my own towing service. In that time I was on call 24 hrs / day , 365 days / yr. I've driven for days straight at times, helping municipalities keep roads clear during snowstorms. I've seen many, many fatal car accidents. I owned my own tractor trailer (80,000 lbs.) and ran from New Hampshire to Michigan regardless of the weather. I'd estimate I've driven 2 million miles commercially without an accident that was my fault (i've been hit by other drivers several times). I've got a motorcycle license and I've even done some auto racing. I could go on and on about my driving qualifications, but hopefully you grasp what I'm getting at.
I stand by my assessment that the videos were made to advance an agenda, no different than the Impala crash video, no different than NBC's chevy pickup side crash test.
