Tire Ballast

   / Tire Ballast #41  
The army requires any tires on equipment heavier than humvees be change utilizing tire cages for this exact reason--especially with 2 piece rims. Don't know if this is OSHA required in the real world or not.

good thing we aren't talking about anything like that and are talking about tubed tractor tires...

soundguy

We see many rears, as well as the occassional front, that are two-piece or three-piece rim construction; size of the tractor does not seem to matter, as they show up on little bitty toy-sized tractors as often as on the big ones.

They are every bit as deadly as a truck tire.

I got two sets of rear tires/wheels when I bought my Mitsubishi; one set of R-1 11.2-24 on normal rims, and another set of 15.00 x 16 Firestone "turf" on two-piece split-ring rims.

Equally as quick to kill are any of the "tubeless" point-5 sizes, such as 16.5, 17.5, etc.; the reason being due to the angled bead construction and so little that actually keeps the tire on the rim; bump one of those rims just a little too hard, the rim gets flattened a little, and is from then on just looking to take someone's head off.:eek:
 
   / Tire Ballast #42  
BearKiller,

I wholly agree with you regarding calcium in the tires. I suggest it only as a really last resort, and usually not even then. My Ford 4000 cane with them in the rears. I have been putting it off getting them empted , cleaned and painted. I guess my biggest delay has been getting alternative weight for the back. I only want some ballast due to the loader on the front.

I have experienced many destroyed rims due to calcium. Sweaty rims during humid days with temperature change doesn't help with corrosion also.

I also agree with your comment, if that much weight is needed to get the job done, find a bigger machine. Some wheel slippage is a good thing as it will save the drive train.
 
   / Tire Ballast #43  
Some wheel slippage is a good thing as it will save the drive train.


That is a very good point and one not often heeded.


In my many years and hundreds of thousands of miles of custom livestock hauling, every time I ripped a rear-end or wrung a drive-shaft was when heavily loaded, in 4-LO, and on blacktop.

If the wheels can't spin, something else is going to give.:cool:
 
   / Tire Ballast #44  
I won't run anything but one piece rims.. split rims, IMHO are way more trouble than they are worth.

soundguy

We see many rears, as well as the occassional front, that are two-piece or three-piece rim construction; size of the tractor does not seem to matter, as they show up on little bitty toy-sized tractors as often as on the big ones.

They are every bit as deadly as a truck tire.

I got two sets of rear tires/wheels when I bought my Mitsubishi; one set of R-1 11.2-24 on normal rims, and another set of 15.00 x 16 Firestone "turf" on two-piece split-ring rims.

Equally as quick to kill are any of the "tubeless" point-5 sizes, such as 16.5, 17.5, etc.; the reason being due to the angled bead construction and so little that actually keeps the tire on the rim; bump one of those rims just a little too hard, the rim gets flattened a little, and is from then on just looking to take someone's head off.:eek:
 
   / Tire Ballast #45  
Since I am not a collector but would still like to try your technique PLEASE take the time to write up more detailed instructions and teach us poor but interested farmers some new tricks. :):)

Not much to it more than I posted.

have a 12v bat charger.. not the 'smart' type.. just the regualr old xformer with clips and a switch..

6a-10a works the best.

electrolyte material... is powdered PH+ addative you can get at walamrt in the pool section.. it's 'sodium carbonate'.. have to play with concentration.. but I've found 1.5 cups per 5g of water is usually enough.. if your amps don't come up to full scale, add a lil more powder, and / or move your anodes closer tot he work piece.

use a big rubber or plastic insultaed tub.. plastic tub crates or smakk kids swimming poow for large parts like hoods and fenders.

scrap iron.. these are your sacrificial anodes.. arange them around the perimeter of your tub.. can place one onthe bottom, if you also put in some plastic blocks to keep your work piece from touching the anode onthe bottom,.. or it's feed wire.

some people cut us a small piece of steel fence wire and run that around.. works fine.. and I used uninsulated fence wire to run my connections.

+ cable tot he anodes.. keep the + cable out o fthe soloution or it will erode.

negative cable to the piece you need to de-rust. I like to keep the negative cable clamp out of the water as well.. just because.. though it will not erode if it is in the soloution.

work piece needs to be completely covered inthe soloution.. and the closer tot he anodes.. the better. if the entire piece is real rusty.. sand out a clean spot just good enough to attach that - jumper clamp.

fire up the bat charger and adjust anodes and electrolyte so that you are near rated amps... soloution should start rolling bubbles out.. do this outside away from a source of ignition.. since this is electrolysis.. you are making gasseous O2 and hydrogen..

also.. I'd leave any chromed pieces out as well!.. and can be rough on aluminum and yellow metals... pretty much for iron/steels.. etc..

the longer it cooks.. the cleaner it gets... most 'normal stuff cooks in 4hrs or less.

painted items take longer.. but the paint will soften and lift almost always.

afterwards, a cood pressure wash removed 99% of anything that stuck.. and then you can wire wheel it to remove and black oxide powder.. she should be washed againwith a degrease and then dried and needs to be 'used' immediatly.. IE.. prime and paint, as the metal is pristine and can surface or flash rust within an hour!

soundguy
 
   / Tire Ballast #48  
Good grief !! After some personal experiences back in the 1950's with 2 piece split ring rims, (one head and one arm (2 seperate people)taken off clean by exploding rim "rings") Then we built cages.

I lost touch with those things for a few years and figured they'd been outlawed! Then 2 years ago my cousin in a northern Ontario gold mine tells me their Volvo mine dump trucks use them "still"!!

One exploded killing the mechanic before he could get the flat tire off the truck !! I was truly shocked to learn those 2 piece, split-ring rims were still in use! Like anything else, they are fine while they are working "well", . . but to me, they are "death" or "wish-you-were", . . just waiting!!! I begin and end with Good Grief !!!

I use Canadian "beet-juice" in my tractor tires and am very happy with it thus far.

CHEERS!
. . tug
 
   / Tire Ballast #49  
I lost touch with those things for a few years and figured they'd been outlawed!


They are, sort of.

No USA-manufactured truck after 1-1-1978 can have them.

:mad:BUT, there was no provision in the law to prevent their being on trucks of foreign manufacture, i.e. Canada, Mexico, Europe, the orient.

Also, no provision was made for trailers or such things as fork-lifts, loaders, etc.

They should be illegal PERIOD, regardless of year of manufacture or country of origin, or type of vehicle.

Our local phone company has several brand-new Canadian-made GM trucks, all with 10.00-20 two-piece rims, 31 years after them being outlawed on US-made trucks; our wonderful government for you.:rolleyes:


As for using the "cage", you still have to roll the tire/wheel out of the cage, squat down right in front of it and muscle it up on the hub, wrestle it into proper alignment, install the lugs, and let the jack down.

At our shop, most that blow do so the instant the weight of the truck comes onto them when the jack is lowered.


Were it my say-so, our shop would simply refuse to service them; no other shop in our area will mess with them.:(
 
   / Tire Ballast #50  
I've seen guys that work on split rims actually chain then around the outside thru the rim in a couple places before putting air to them.. etc..

soundguy
 

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