ASV PT-100F Visibility

   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #11  
what are you going to be doing with it if your going to be mulching by a mulching machine. Asv i mean terex is having axle problems on the new pt 100 at about 400 hours the axles break
 
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Never my intention to go with a mulching machine, but rather to either rent or buy a mulching head for my own machine. Pt100 axle breaks after only 400 hours is a serious problem and definate turn-off. That certainly got my attention.
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #13  
what are you going to be doing with it if your going to be mulching by a mulching machine. Asv i mean terex is having axle problems on the new pt 100 at about 400 hours the axles break

Just out of curiosity, what kind of data or information do you use to make such a strong statement declaring that ASV (Terex) is having axle problems on their PT100s? Factory information, your own individual experience (personally had XX axles break), information you've heard through the grapevine and confirmed with multiple other sources, other information that supports your statement, etc. I'm not saying that ASV does not have a problem, but merely trying to get a handle on what constitutes solid, unbiased, statistically sound information on a public forum that potentially sways purchasing decisions.

I know personally of 4 customers up here in Wisconsin that have purchased PT100 forestry machines (1 traded a CAT, 1 a Bobcat T320 and the other two had previous RC100s) and claim they are unmatched in performance and reliability compared to other machines they demoed or owned yet I think it is premature me to come on here and say that they are problem free compared to the others.

BTW...I am in no way discounting your statement, and I like the exchange of information and insights from all of the members, and I would use a forum like this to help me make a purchasing decision in the future. I would also add that as a former salesman of Bobcat equipment I would heavily recommend that anyone considering the purchase of any piece of equipment demonstrate all of the models under consideration in the application in which it is intended, along with asking each dealer for multiple customer references who use the machine in the same application.
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #14  
Well just two things really. One Palmetto brush has had two Rc-100 I think and currently owns two newest model Pt-100's with said problems. I only answer for I doubt he will be back this week. Just to share info ASV did make improvements to the axles but they also changed the compound in the tracks which stiffened them also. So they improved but it only was a lateral movement. They should have gone two steps on the axle to make ground.
Secondly Yes you should try as many machine's as possible that fit your application. But on that note there are some that just do it better. Just compare how the engine's drive the pumps, the operating psi, available hp, AND available torque, usually overlooked. Also look at the cooling setup, some have learned and some haven't. I will remain as neutral as possible on here but if asked in person I will help as much as possible. From the info above if your tractor literate you can figure out the brands and check for yourself.
I personally would build a tractor for mulching just to get it right, or just keep shopping and waiting till ones built.
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #15  
I've posted this here before...my axle broke too.
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #16  
buy a Takeuchi TL250 with high flow, if I buy another skid steer that's what I would get.

If you are an owner/operator and haven't demo'd the PT-100, you should try it before you buy a new TL250. The TL250 looks good on paper and from every angle except the seat. I tested a few including the TL250 and ended up with the ASV SR-80 and no regrets.

Those guys with broken axles on the 100F, did you get it repaired under warranty? Sometimes the dealer fails to comply with service bulletins. If you buy any machine do not pick it up from the dealer until you check with the factory regarding any known issues and compliance with service bulletins.

jmf
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #17  
Well just two things really. One Palmetto brush has had two Rc-100 I think and currently owns two newest model Pt-100's with said problems. I only answer for I doubt he will be back this week. Just to share info ASV did make improvements to the axles but they also changed the compound in the tracks which stiffened them also. So they improved but it only was a lateral movement. They should have gone two steps on the axle to make ground.
Secondly Yes you should try as many machine's as possible that fit your application. But on that note there are some that just do it better. Just compare how the engine's drive the pumps, the operating psi, available hp, AND available torque, usually overlooked. Also look at the cooling setup, some have learned and some haven't. I will remain as neutral as possible on here but if asked in person I will help as much as possible. From the info above if your tractor literate you can figure out the brands and check for yourself.
I personally would build a tractor for mulching just to get it right, or just keep shopping and waiting till ones built.

Thank you. In no way were my comments an affront to Palmetto Brush, but merely a question related to the impact a forum can have on someone's purchasing decision, and what constitutes a product wide problemwith regard to the limited amount of people that actually post on these. This forum is is much better than others with regard to the information shared and the opinions displayed.
 
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Thank you. In no way were my comments an affront to Palmetto Brush, but merely a question related to the impact a forum can have on someone's purchasing decision, and what constitutes a product wide problemwith regard to the limited amount of people that actually post on these. This forum is is much better than others with regard to the information shared and the opinions displayed.
Digdeep, Robbie Hegwood & jmfox,

As a newbie to large acreage and purchaser of ag/construction equipment, this forum (and your input) is priceless. Every (or most) salesmen I talk to do their job, which is sell their machines. This isn't helpful in deciding between competing products. I take you guys back to when you started how confusing it all was. If you started in construction as an employee, you had an advantage folks like me don't, that is, the ability to use, over a number of hours and days, different manufacturers. I, and folks like me don't have that luxury. Even a demo, though better than nothing, hardly makes up for days and months (years?) of "seat time" with various makes and models. And even a constructive demo isn't assured as the only dealers reasonably called "local" to me handle just two makes of CTL's, Terex and New Holland. So, now the intangibles come into play, which is where you guys come in. Welcome comments from this forum, yes, sometimes conflicting, makes the decision interesting, if muddier. Yet, all one has to do is ask deeper, drill-down questions. For instance, how important is a local dealer for a machine that is #2 on your list vs your #1 that might be an hour or two away? In my case, that local dealer machine being the ASV/Terex, which was #1 on my list until the undercarriage comments and lack of manufacturer support shook my confidence (#2 is the Takeuchi/Mustang twins). The ASV tops out in most areas of my needs, including operator comfort, power, top speed (I've got a lot of acreage to traverse), track ground pressure (some lawn), torque and electrical system. It was a no-brainer for #1 until I consider the "real" possibility of an axle breaking at less than 500 hours. And mulching will be part of the machine's chores, though, a small part. True, I'd be a sole owner/operator of this machine on my own property, meaning I'd be prone to babying it. So, if it would not be subject to the kind of use/abuse a commercial operation would subject it to, is the potential axle issue moot? Don't know. And the notion of having to overly baby a new 10,000+ lb TL seems ridiculous. So, therein lies my long-winded question: Does an ASV/Terex stay #1, given it leads in most of my needs except for the fact that it might stop dead and cost me $10,000 in only 400 hours? I've acquired a lot of respect for the Takeuchi machines and probably would not regret a purchase of one (remember, I have no experience with anything else), but I don't like the idea of fear or misinformation driving me from something that better suits my needs. Salesmen, manufacturer service departments and even dealers that carry different brands all have agendas. So, I guess the answer is you learn all you can from the best sources and let the chips fall.
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #19  
I completely understand. I and most guys on here actually have learned more by doing than reading. There is TOO much information to process to know it all without running this equipment. I learn something new every time I do an install or troubleshoot a problem. That to me is the challenging part of this job and I enjoy it very much.
Anyway. The ASV is about the best suited machine to run a mulcher. I wouldn't jump ship on them for the axle issue though. Just look at it this way. Ask the dealer to walk you thru what would happen if you broke one. Then also I would highly recommend an extended warranty to cover the axles. Every tractor has a weak point, it's just how that would effect what your trying to do with it. For example Gehl (used too not sure about now) would void the warranty the minute you mounted a mulcher on it. Plus I also now that Terex want all the yellow ASV's gone and are offering incentives on them.
Look on the internet and google mulcher and various combinations and look at what they are running. There may not be one dominate brand but there is a lack on some for a reason.
Last thing is the mulching contractors running them are the toughest on them, not abuse but they work for a living. They carry a 2500 lbs. attachment all there life. Moving dirt is 50% unloaded. I still think the number of ASV's sold verses problems is far lower than any other brand. You can fix a axle, you can't fix a poorly designed cooling system that overheats.
 
   / ASV PT-100F Visibility #20  
Well guys I have been working with asv for two years and every step foward they take they take two back. i have had 5 asv 100s now in less than three years i have never had an axle issue until the new pt 100s they arent just pts these are the newest ones on the market. One has 900 hours on it the other has 1230 on it in a year. They have replaced 7 axles in the past year one engine four track frames rebuilt the reversing fans twice. Asv is working on a fix for this we are just waiting on it before it happens again.I have been down one machine for five months now and do you think i have seen a loaner machine no just that they will try to get it fixed as soon as possible They know they have a problem because "I WAS THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS HAVING PROBLEMS." I have two well taken care of asv if any one would like to purchase one. By the way im not a big fan of terex I believe the merger was the worst thing that could have happened to asv.
 

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