Who has the most hours on their Kioti?

[steve0413]

Unfortunately, if you feel that the weight of a tractor is a sign of quality, I'll never consider you someone as someone who knows something about tractors. As I clearly stated, if you fail to understand the huge differences in when weight is an attribute and when it is a detriment, I have nothing to discuss with you. It's pretty dang common knowledge that it's a whole lot easier to add weight than to take dead weight away. I can tell you for an absolute fact that there are just as many situations where more weight is a problem in CUT and utility sized tractors as it's an attribute. I didn't feel at all that you attacking me, I only saw that you have a lot to learn about machinery. Sorry, I just call it as I see it.

Generally when some one states something as an "absolute fact" they can back it up with at least one or two examples. And I'm not talking about how a 40hp tractor is too heavy for mowing the yard. LOL. Come on Mr elite machinery guy. Let's hear one maybe two examples.

 

[Dodgeram]

The only ones missing from this discussion are KiotiJohn and Bob Skurka

Tom

 

[IslandTractor]

The only ones missing from this discussion are KiotiJohn and Bob Skurka

Tom

Let's not go there.

I wish you guys would realize that Dargo is simply being Dargo. In Boston we had Manny (Ramirez, ex Red Sox) being Manny and just got used to the antics. Arguing with Manny never changed his behavior and I doubt Dargo is likely to change either. In this thread we have Dargo who actually has good points most of the time and just happens to love to present his opinions in a combative style. Rather than assume the worst, it is better to ignore the sometimes inflammatory rhetoric and just read through that to cull his main point. In this case he is IMO exaggerating what we all know to be the case regarding pros and cons of weight and how to put weight on a tractor. The topic has been beaten to death many times and there is nothing new being presented. Note Dargo's avatar- beating a dead horse- which is pertinent here.

Recall that Dargo started this thread because he was trying to talk his local tractor dealer into carrying the Kioti line. He seems to admire the DK90. I suspect he is grumpy because he really did want that DK90 and somehow he expected the hodge podge of contributors here to provide him with absolutely convincing data to show his dealer friend. I'm sure that in time he will realize that was not a particularly reasonable request (how many folks on the Kubota forum could recount fleets of their tractors with at least 8000 hrs??). Still, the important point is that he is not Kioti bashing, he is just being his ornery self. Don't over react.

KiotiJohn and Bob Skurka RIP

 

[steve0413]

Let's not go there.

I wish you guys would realize that Dargo is simply being Dargo. In Boston we had Manny (Ramirez, ex Red Sox) being Manny and just got used to the antics. Arguing with Manny never changed his behavior and I doubt Dargo is likely to change either. In this thread we have Dargo who actually has good points most of the time and just happens to love to present his opinions in a combative style. Rather than assume the worst, it is better to ignore the sometimes inflammatory rhetoric and just read through that to cull his main point. In this case he is IMO exaggerating what we all know to be the case regarding pros and cons of weight and how to put weight on a tractor. The topic has been beaten to death many times and there is nothing new being presented. Note Dargo's avatar- beating a dead horse- which is pertinent here.

Recall that Dargo started this thread because he was trying to talk his local tractor dealer into carrying the Kioti line. He seems to admire the DK90. I suspect he is grumpy because he really did want that DK90 and somehow he expected the hodge podge of contributors here to provide him with absolutely convincing data to show his dealer friend. I'm sure that in time he will realize that was not a particularly reasonable request (how many folks on the Kubota forum could recount fleets of their tractors with at least 8000 hrs??). Still, the important point is that he is not Kioti bashing, he is just being his ornery self. Don't over react.

KiotiJohn and Bob Skurka RIP

Thanks IT. That explains a lot. I'm relatively new on here and not up to date on which topics have been overly debated/opinionized in the past. The one bad thing about forums, emails, chats, etc. is it's pretty hard to read a persons emotions without seeing their face. Therefore, I was mistakenly taking Dargo's "inflammatory rhetoric" and taking it as a personal attack not against Kioti, but against people who buy Kioti's, you know the "uneducated" ones? I'll try to not take the bait in the future.

 

[HODAK]

What purpose does this thread serve now? Put a fork in it. It's done............

 

[Steve_Miller]

The only ones missing from this discussion are KiotiJohn and Bob Skurka

Tom

I can't wait for round four!! Island can be KiotiJohn and Dargo can be Bob. Ah the good old days are back.

Steve
Happy Holidays

 

[Dargo]

What purpose does this thread serve now? Put a fork in it. It's done............

Yup, I'd agree. I was trying to get a local dealer to pick up Kioti and get him some references. Unfortunately, some things just don't change. Rather than getting references, I mostly got attitudes. With that being the case, he likely is better off having passed on Kioti if that is a true sampling of their base of owners. He has been on TBN since I referenced it as a Kioti hot spot. He certainly picked up on what has been hashed over and over and over and over. That is that there are more sour attitudes and defensive people in the Kioti area than all other areas combined. I agree, this thread is done. It only disappointed me. Go ask the same question in any other tractor area and you won't get the attitudes and defensiveness as you do here. Over and out.

 

[Steve_Miller]

I was only poking fun, hope it didn't offend anyone. I agree and disagree with what people say for the most part. I have owned Kubota's in the past albeit small ones and would say that they probably have better engineering in them but Kioti came into the market with some pretty reputable tractors and haven't really marketed very well. In all fairness to Kioti (and yes I own one) they did not jump into a market like Kubota did back almost forty years ago. Kubota more or less created there own market with the small 4WD tractors and they did an excellent job in grabbing the market. Just about every other tractor brand has tried to wrestle this market away from them and Kubota has fought them off by refining a little more each year and inching into the bigger size tractor market each year. I would almost say that Kubota has reached into the larger tractor sizes as far as they want to go because there are many brands that have this market sewed up now and it is not worth the time and money for what they would get in return from a profit standpoint. They now have a reputation that preceeds them and they haven't really dropped the ball. Deere got in on this smaller tractor market on reputation and a decent product although not as much as they would have liked. As far as high hour Kioti's (thousands of hours) there are probably not that many around and they don't exist on this site (those ones are probably being used as we speak as they don't have time to participate in forums like this). Comparing tractors is a matter of choice and loyalty in my opinion. No two brands are the same and you buy the one you are most comfortable with that includes the dealer probably as much as the tractor. It must be tough as a dealer to decide years ahead of time which line will do the most for them the same as a tractor producer deciding to tool up to muscle in on an existing market. Again, in my opinion Kubota created their market and kept a hold on it, everyone else has tried to improve on the product to gain a part of this market. It's a tough job and persistence may or may not work. So for any one manufacturer to try and gain any substantial market share of this market is going to be tough at best. The best bet would be to create something different that people will need, use and buy. We here on TBN represent a market picture but, as a percentage it's anybody's guess, so to use what you see here as a gauge on what is out there may or may not be accurate. My best guess is that this is a site for the smaller occasional users like myself and I think if you look around this site that it was started mainly for that reason. Well that's my babble for the day, I hope I have not wasted too much of your companies time reading this as I have spent writing it.

Steve

 

[lakngulf]

Since I am new, and do not know the lay of the land, I think I will engage Dargo a bit to be sure I understand where and what he is coming from. As I said earlier, his dealer had his mine made up before the question was asked, and Dargo has emphasized that he found what he expected.

Now I am slow, so I would appreciate if you would take the fork out, put this topic back in the cooker and help me out. Not knowing what "attitudes" have been expressed in the past, exactly what "attitudes" did you get from the postings to this thread. Perhaps, I should re-read and would be able to discern, but I would appreciate a 1.2.3 listing so it will be easier for me.

The main item that you jumped on was the weight issue, and I am not sure that is settled just yet. I grew up on a cattle farm in central Alabama (maybe that is the reason I am slow, ha). When I was a kid we had Allis-Chambers tractors without wide front wheels, no cab, wham-wham shift stick, worn clutch and brake pedals and the works. We always added all the weight we could to the tires to make it perform better. There was not front end loader involved, just plain ol' work the fields. Weight in those back tires was important, and we had to add extra anti-freeze in the winter. My granddaddy had an old IH and we did the same thing to it. Then came Deutsch, with backward gears, front end loader, weird symbols and numbers, etc. We added water to the back tires to get more weight so the tractor would perform better. Then the big John Deeres, and same desire to add weight. Now maybe my daddy and my brother (passed and retired, respectively) just kept adding the weight because "that is the way we always did it". So years pass, the farm has not been worked for 5 years except to plant food plots, and I decide to buy a tractor (since my brother had sold all of his). I look around, do some research, talk to my neighbor who bought some land from me AND bought a Kioti tractor. I find a small CK30 with several attachments that I like, and buy it. I tell my brother about it and his first statement is "ask the seller if he has weight in the tires, and if not, get some antifreeze and I will come help you put in some extra weight."
Attitude, or experience, and kinda sorta knowing what you want to do with a tractor. I will admit to being a rookie owner, but still have some common sense.

So please list the attitudes that you expected to find, and did find, in this thread (not in the history of the forum), and let me know where four generations are going wrong with this weight thing.

 

[steve0413]

Since I am new, and do not know the lay of the land, I think I will engage Dargo a bit to be sure I understand where and what he is coming from. As I said earlier, his dealer had his mine made up before the question was asked, and Dargo has emphasized that he found what he expected.

Now I am slow, so I would appreciate if you would take the fork out, put this topic back in the cooker and help me out. Not knowing what "attitudes" have been expressed in the past, exactly what "attitudes" did you get from the postings to this thread. Perhaps, I should re-read and would be able to discern, but I would appreciate a 1.2.3 listing so it will be easier for me.

The main item that you jumped on was the weight issue, and I am not sure that is settled just yet. I grew up on a cattle farm in central Alabama (maybe that is the reason I am slow, ha). When I was a kid we had Allis-Chambers tractors without wide front wheels, no cab, wham-wham shift stick, worn clutch and brake pedals and the works. We always added all the weight we could to the tires to make it perform better. There was not front end loader involved, just plain ol' work the fields. Weight in those back tires was important, and we had to add extra anti-freeze in the winter. My granddaddy had an old IH and we did the same thing to it. Then came Deutsch, with backward gears, front end loader, weird symbols and numbers, etc. We added water to the back tires to get more weight so the tractor would perform better. Then the big John Deeres, and same desire to add weight. Now maybe my daddy and my brother (passed and retired, respectively) just kept adding the weight because "that is the way we always did it". So years pass, the farm has not been worked for 5 years except to plant food plots, and I decide to buy a tractor (since my brother had sold all of his). I look around, do some research, talk to my neighbor who bought some land from me AND bought a Kioti tractor. I find a small CK30 with several attachments that I like, and buy it. I tell my brother about it and his first statement is "ask the seller if he has weight in the tires, and if not, get some antifreeze and I will come help you put in some extra weight."
Attitude, or experience, and kinda sorta knowing what you want to do with a tractor. I will admit to being a rookie owner, but still have some common sense.

So please list the attitudes that you expected to find, and did find, in this thread (not in the history of the forum), and let me know where four generations are going wrong with this weight thing.

Sounds like my farm life growing up in Arkansas. Not much difference in Arkansas and Alabama I guess. LOL. Our first tractors were JD "B" then "A" model. Horsepower even on the "A" was 23hp max I believe. But because of the relatively heavy weight, they could out pull implements that modern day 50hp tractors couldn't even think about pulling. That's a perfect example of why I even brought up the lower weight on current JD's versus Kioti and Mahindra's. Other than leaving tracks in your yard because you used a 40hp tractor to mow your yard when 10hp would have done the job, I know of no other reason when added weight is a bad thing for tractors. It wasn't meant as an attitude thing. Even though I'm old, I still like to learn stuff if there is something I need to know.

Now, on the attitude thing, I've learned through many years of living, that people generally see and hear what they WANT to rather than what's actually happening before them. Thirty-six years of being married to the same woman will teach you that. LOL. The more the author replied to remarks on this thread it appears to me that he was reading way more into others replies than were meant by the posters. Example: look at his last post on page 1. I've almost come to the conclusion that he got the exact responses he was looking for from the beginning, even those trying to help him didn't mean it the way he took it. Hey, I'm a pretty good psychologist in addition to being a machinery expert.