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   / Global Warming News #541  
So far, we have had a warm winter here in Maine. :)

I think it is important to keep in mind that generally, gov't regulation results from a majority of people supporting an idea or shared goal. Regulations are not disembodied mandates from 'the gov't'. Sometimes the debate takes a long time to reach concensus on solutions that are favored by a majority. That's certainly true with health care issues if you look at the history of attempts to improve it.

I think we may have taken a wrong turn when employers began to make health care insurance part of compensation. That created a pool of money that attracted a lot of shenanigans that are playing out now.

For health care, the majority of people do think there is room for improvement I would guess. The cost, availability, and quality can all stand improvement. I don't think it is pointless to compare the US to other countries in this regard. That is like saying we shouldn't 'grade' our own efforts to continue to be a 1st World country.

One of the strengths of the US has always been the ability to compromise around a solution that is seen by the majority to be equitable. We do ourselves a disservice by advocating adherence to strict free market principles - no matter what. That isn't the way the country works now and never has been. What has always worked is compromising a bit on ideals for a better outcome. It's fine to hold to the ideal that the more advantage we give to free market forces, the better off we will be. It's not true that totally unfettered free markets will always solve or prevent problems. Our own history demostrates that.

Compromise is pretty much the opposite of what took place early on in communist countries, the perfection of an ideal was everything to them and it cost them dearly.
Dave.
 
   / Global Warming News #542  
So far, we have had a warm winter here in Maine. :)

I think it is important to keep in mind that generally, gov't regulation results from a majority of people supporting an idea or shared goal. Regulations are not disembodied mandates from 'the gov't'. Sometimes the debate takes a long time to reach concensus on solutions that are favored by a majority. That's certainly true with health care issues if you look at the history of attempts to improve it.

I think we may have taken a wrong turn when employers began to make health care insurance part of compensation. That created a pool of money that attracted a lot of shenanigans that are playing out now.

For health care, the majority of people do think there is room for improvement I would guess. The cost, availability, and quality can all stand improvement. I don't think it is pointless to compare the US to other countries in this regard. That is like saying we shouldn't 'grade' our own efforts to continue to be a 1st World country.

One of the strengths of the US has always been the ability to compromise around a solution that is seen by the majority to be equitable. We do ourselves a disservice by advocating adherence to strict free market principles - no matter what. That isn't the way the country works now and never has been. What has always worked is compromising a bit on ideals for a better outcome. It's fine to hold to the ideal that the more advantage we give to free market forces, the better off we will be. It's not true that totally unfettered free markets will always solve or prevent problems. Our own history demostrates that.

Compromise is pretty much the opposite of what took place early on in communist countries, the perfection of an ideal was everything to them and it cost them dearly.
Dave.

Good Morning Dave,
I agree that free markets will not aways prevent problems, but I would disagree that it will not always solve problems.
I think that most people make rational decisions regarding how they live their lives. In a truly free market I can decide to buy health insurance, or not buy health insurance, based on the infinite number of variables faced by anyone making an economic decision. Government cannot be expected to make these kind of rational decisions.
The US Constitution limits the amount of power of the Federal government, with very good reason, The Founders feared an all powerful government that controlled their lives.
So if you truly believe that you will be better off supporting "the public option"God bless, but I fear for our future if it ever becomes law
 
   / Global Warming News #543  
All this is beside the point and irrelevant. It's not the federal government's job to run healthcare.

That's not a fact, that's just your opinion.
If in a democracy the majority of the people want a certian system then so be it. Those that disagree are bound to follow those systems until they are legally changed. Short of armed rebellion there is no other way.
 
   / Global Warming News #544  
Good Morning Dave,
I agree that free markets will not aways prevent problems, but I would disagree that it will not always solve problems.
I think that most people make rational decisions regarding how they live their lives. In a truly free market I can decide to buy health insurance, or not buy health insurance, based on the infinite number of variables faced by anyone making an economic decision. Government cannot be expected to make these kind of rational decisions.
The US Constitution limits the amount of power of the Federal government, with very good reason, The Founders feared an all powerful government that controlled their lives.
So if you truly believe that you will be better off supporting "the public option"God bless, but I fear for our future if it ever becomes law

Perhaps you should look at this under the context of which services should the government provide? Why should I support a library when I can afford to buy my own books or maybe I can't read?
I have no children so why should I pay a school tax?
Fire departments are a complete waste of my money, I've never had a fire and don't intend to have one.
Roads and streets? Let the those that live on the streets build them and maintain them. Why should I pay for a highway to Chicago when I never plan on going there??

Other the the military what should the government do? In fact, maybe we don't even need the military if we outsource our protection. Think about it, they average Chinese worker makes $.80/hr, why not contract with the Chinese Government to protect us?

Well, I just came to the conclusion that Government in unnecessary so lets abolish it and let the quickest draw and the surest shot rise to the top of the food chain.
 
   / Global Warming News #545  
Perhaps you should look at this under the context of which services should the government provide? Why should I support a library when I can afford to buy my own books or maybe I can't read?
I have no children so why should I pay a school tax?
Fire departments are a complete waste of my money, I've never had a fire and don't intend to have one.
Roads and streets? Let the those that live on the streets build them and maintain them. Why should I pay for a highway to Chicago when I never plan on going there??

Other the the military what should the government do? In fact, maybe we don't even need the military if we outsource our protection. Think about it, they average Chinese worker makes $.80/hr, why not contract with the Chinese Government to protect us?

Well, I just came to the conclusion that Government in unnecessary so lets abolish it and let the quickest draw and the surest shot rise to the top of the food chain.

Yeeeehaaa!!!:D:D:D
 
   / Global Warming News #546  
That's not a fact, that's just your opinion.
If in a democracy the majority of the people want a certian system then so be it. Those that disagree are bound to follow those systems until they are legally changed. Short of armed rebellion there is no other way.

No, it's not my opinion. The federal government cannot force people to buy something, i.e., take their money, regardless of what the people want. Particularly with the monetary and criminal penalties involved. It's called the due process clause to the constitution. Oh by the way, the majority of people don't want this.
 
   / Global Warming News #547  
Yeeeehaaa!!!:D:D:D

Yep, this thread has now sunk to the absurd level of analogies. Another 'I've lost the argument so it's time to ridcule' tactic.
 
   / Global Warming News #548  
No, it's not my opinion. The federal government cannot force people to buy something, i.e., take their money, regardless of what the people want. .


WRONG!!! Everyday we are forced to pay, by the government. The wrapping on the box is just a disguise
 
   / Global Warming News #549  
WRONG!!! Everyday we are forced to pay, by the government. The wrapping on the box is just a disguise

What other product does the government force you to buy simply because you exist?
 
   / Global Warming News #550  
Perhaps you should look at this under the context of which services should the government provide? Why should I support a library when I can afford to buy my own books or maybe I can't read?
I have no children so why should I pay a school tax?
Fire departments are a complete waste of my money, I've never had a fire and don't intend to have one.
Roads and streets? Let the those that live on the streets build them and maintain them. Why should I pay for a highway to Chicago when I never plan on going there??

Other the the military what should the government do? In fact, maybe we don't even need the military if we outsource our protection. Think about it, they average Chinese worker makes $.80/hr, why not contract with the Chinese Government to protect us?

Well, I just came to the conclusion that Government in unnecessary so lets abolish it and let the quickest draw and the surest shot rise to the top of the food chain.

How about the powers and duties mandated in the US Constitution.

That would be the "context" that I would like to see the Federal Government provide services in.
 
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