Finding buried pipe

[wildwillie]

Ive got some neighbors (city folks) they don't believe in witching so they spent over $70,000 on two 900' dry holes. My well is 340' deep with 14 gpm 400' away.Now they wont even talk to us.

 

[/pine]

Will someone please explain how wood sticks will bend and point to something using what principle?

I will ask again...do you not deem it possible that there are factors about our planet/solar system/universe that we (humans) have not mastered yet? Do you not think that there are "scientific principles" that we have yet to discover?
maybe not everyone is sensitive enough to channel energy through a fruitwood branch...the same way not everyone can break glass with nothing but the frequency and power of their voice...How do you think they explained this before we understood the existance and power of sound waves?

How do you think the effect of "lode stones" (natural magnets) was explained before the understanding of magnetic forces (flux lines)

When the magnetic compass was first invented...how do you think it was accepted by those that did not understand the "scientific principal" behind it?

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Only one way to settle this... MYTHBUSTERS!!!!

That TV show may be entertaining to many but in fact those two clowns have never "busted" any myth period...
They may have come to some conclusions from their own antics but that is as far as it goes...

The only show on any of those cable channels that was "for real" was 'Monster Garage'....it either worked or it didn't...

 

[biggerten]

People who do this kind of work professionally (locating underground lines and utilities) invest thousands of dollars for equipment and training. If it could be done by forked branches, bent welding rod, etc, they would do that. But they don't. And we all know why. Really, people.

When the water company comes to a job site to locate old water lines that don't have tracer wires, they show up with metal rods and blue paint to do their locating. So people that do this kind of work professionally do use this method.

Well, I wonder why they don't go pick up an easy million bucks, then.

 

[zeuspaul]

If you don't know the scientific principles relating to a phenomenon then you can't set up a proper test. You could bring in a thousand dowsers and if for some reason the area of the earth was not conducive to dowsing they all may fail.

I used to operate expensive sonar searching for the ocean floor. Even with expensive state of the ART equipment we were still operating in the dark. A school of fish or floating debris could be identified as the bottom. Searching down through the earth using unknown scientific principles is more of a challenge. There may be various earth formations that can fool a dowser. Rock fissures or veins of ore may effect dowsing.

I have also witnessed both comercial tracing equipment and dowsing work. I have also witnessed both fail. Using either method we would always pothole (sometimes with a Kuboto) to verify position. Just because the commercial tracing equipment fails and isn't always repeatable isn't sufficient to conclude that it doesn't work sometimes.

You can't say something doesn't exist because you don't know how it works.

The earth does emit various energies some of which we understand. Perhaps long narrow things somehow shield or influence one of the energies and perhaps some individuals can sense the disturbance.

Zeuspaul

 

[ray66v]

When I built my barn, I chuckled when my father came out to check the area for pipes. We knew there was one that ran from the house to the septic system in the area.

We both witched and found that there were 5 different pipes that ran through the area. The poles were laid out to miss all these targets. And when we bored the holes, no pipes were hit.

Later, when I ran a trencher through the same area to run down spout drains, we hit every pipe, right were they were marked.

No one could have accurately guessed the number of pipes, and their exact location. Yet, somehow this happened.

Does it work every time? Apparently not, because some say no.

It did however, work that time.

 

[J_J]

If any of you think this is true, why does one have to believe it works for it to work. Why does one need any sticks or rods, if they can sense the presence.

This would be a real blind study. Take several pro douser's, and let them work different properties and mark the site. Bring the same people back to the same property some time later, and blindfold them, and lead them around and see if they can re-find their earlier findings.

Some call this principle a gift, but is it , really now, and does it come and go, maybe explaining why it doesn't work all the time.

So one has to feel right, have the right stick or rod , and believe it works, and be able to handle defeat with pride.

More power to those that can, I would really like to be impressed with this technique some Day.

By the way, is this a man thing, or can women find water, PVC, septic lines, etc, also?

 

[jimmer2880]

Why is it that the non-believers seem to have more to prove than the people who do believe it works? Most of the people who believe in it were skeptics originally until they either saw it done, or did it themselves.

I'm a scientific person by nature. But, I will admit that there are things in this world that science cannot explain.

 

[killdozerd11]

Another method that usually works for me is to get the backhoe and just dig a hole. Its amazing how often I can hit a buried pipe.

LMFAO to true

 

[/pine]

If any of you think this is true, why does one have to believe it works for it to work.

I think there is a misunderstanding of what some mean by "believing"...
I think what they mean is "sensitivity" some humans are able to recognize sensations that others may ignore...

Let me ask you this...do you believe that wildlife , farm and domesticated animals have the ability to sense when disasters like earthquakes are looming? Perhaps the power of rationale in humans is partially responsible for supressing the sensitivity levels in us?

When it comes to using sticks or rods...the ability to hold something with little or no friction takes an art...

There are a lot fewer folks that can use a tree brance than can find some success with metal rods...perhaps because they are easier to hold without restraining them...

All it takes to make one believe that there is at least *something* to dowsing is...using rods (coat hangers etc)...is to pass over a burried mass and feel the rods move on their own...knowing without a doubt that you are not influiencing the rods and they are actually spreading or crossing themselves under unseen powers...even if you do not believe that you can find something if you can hold the rods to not effect them you can at least prove it to yourself that *something* is doing something...

 

[EE_Bota]

It is hard to believe that grown adults believe this stuff. Some of you say that you have to believe. Just what is this scientific principle that something like this works. How many of you believe in ghost?

I can't believe that folks think that all that is worthy of belief is found in science.

I can't believe that those who believe things not found in science are exposed to ridicule, yet when science sometimes find that those formerly ridiculed were correct, those who did the ridiculing escape ridicule.

I can't believe before it was understood how a bumblebee can fly, some people were so stupid, that they accepted on faith that their eyes were telling the truth.

I am a BIG fan of science.

Science has provided electric wheel chairs for those of you who have trouble walking, and science has provided locating devices for those of us who do not have the ability to use divining rods.

And if you are one of those, like me, who don't know how to use divining rods...don't feel bad. We only cost science a few months of progress while they were creating locating devices for the divining impaired.

Science is fun:
I love to talk about science with people. I like to watch their expression. It's fun to talk "irrationally" around them. I like to ask them about aliens traveling faster than the speed of light (so they will think / know I am crazy (depending on whether I am crazy or not.)

Some of them will tell you "they can't do it, because it will take all the energy in the universe to do it." Change the subject for a while, and when you are pretty sure they have forgotten, ask them about hyper-inflation of the universe. Let them explain it to you.

Then say "Oh, so it is wrong for an alien to travel faster than the speed of light because it will take all the energy in the universe, but it is perfectly fine for the entire universe to travel faster than the speed of light because that does not take all the energy in itself!"

"And you wonder why folks like me have doubts folks like you can solve the energy crisis! And even though neither of us have actually met an alien, you already want to limit his use of energy, and his right to travel as he wishes!"

"Now that we have established your irrational hatred of aliens, perhaps you can tell me what held the primordial singularity together is if was so desperate to blow apart. Failing that, please explain to me "smotty-pants" why if all space, energy and time was in the singularity, how can ignorant people like me accept your description of said singularity when you always describe it from a vantage point that you freely admit did not exist!"

Smile really big and say "Just kidding man...just joking around with you...I worship science too. Some people ain't as smart as us, so they can't take the craziness we accept. They prefer a less fickle god."