Finding buried pipe

[shine]

Repeatedly-over, and over, and over, in double blind trials controlled for all other independent variables, water witchers have FAILED to locate water at any greater percentage of the time than random guessing does.

That there are things as yet undiscovered and unexplained in science is totally obvious. The thing is, a water witch has NEVER, NEVER, NEVER produced in controlled, properly conducted clinical trials. This is proof positive that the ability they claim to have DOES NOT EXIST. Take off the blindfolds, let them observe the geology in a natural setting (as opposed to a flat well cross-plowed field where pipes were laid prior to the multiple plowing) the surface hydrology, the ever so slight depression and soil coloration differences where trenches were backfilled, etc. and they get it right more than random guessing does. The thing is, the same is true for someone trained in hydrological geology. The "witch" intuitively understands some principles of geology and hydrology or notices extremely slight topographical fluxuations, and mistakes the skill for something supernatural. In single blind trials with numerous pipes and valves buried in a plowed field, where the tester knew the location of pipes, the witches get it right at a greater than random percentage. Make the trial double blind, such that the person leading the witch around doesn't know whether the spot has water or not, the witch's percentage drops to the same as random guessing. The witch was reading the body language of the tester in the single blind trials. In double blind trials, they just cannot produce. They never have. Of every properly conducted double blind trial ever conducted, never has a water diviner produced.

Rabbits' feet, buckeyes, and four leaf clovers don't bring good luck. Stepping on cracks doesn't break your grandmother's back. Breaking mirrors, seeing black cats, and walking under ladders does not bring bad luck. Elvis is not alive. Aliens did not land at Roswell. Rats do not come from cheese and animals do not come to life through spontaneous generation. Touch therapists, magnets, copper bracelets, and crystals do not heal people. The Earth is not flat and is not the center of the universe. Rain is not brought by angels walking around on one of the 7 concentric semicircles of heaven and pouring water out of water pots. Eating ground up Rhino horn powder doesn't turn you into a stud. Voodoo doesn't kill people. Electromagnetism from power lines doesn't induce cancer. The earth didn't end with Y2k and will not end due to any prophecy in 2012. And sticks or rods held in one's hands do not locate water. The man who believes they do is no different than a man who believes one of those other things. This does not make him a bad or evil man, just one who believes in things verified not to exist. I will not hire him to find water, but I also will not turn away from his offer of friendship. I have friends of just about every religion on Earth, as well as those not believing or not caring. Most of my friends of faith would say that the others are bound for an eternity of suffering for believing the wrong faith, but that does not keep me from befriending each one while on this Earth. The world is full of people with differing notions. Science is the only epistemological process that even attempts to verify whether theories of physics, biology, and chemistry are correct or incorrect. Some people understand science; others don't. Not because they are incapable, but because they don't want to. They decide they want to believe myths and ignore real evidence-evidence that has been empirically scrutinized. But such has the world always been, and it that may never change. People believe what they want to believe for precisely that reason-it is simply what they WANT to believe. I still consider many of them to be my friends.

What does any of ths have to do with finding buried pipe with metal rods?

 

[Willl]

What does any of ths have to do with finding buried pipe with metal rods?

The title ?

 

[Tom_H]

I said "reputable"...

sorry but the evidence is overwhelmingly against your prejudice toward the art...you are the one that needs to do more reading...

ROFLMAO!! One doesn't get to declare something non-reputable just because he doesn't like it, especially if he hasn't even read it. BTW.. I DID read the link you posted; I've already responded to it above. All this is stuff you "believe"; you are simply creating your own reality. If you want to call examining evidence of carefully crafted trials "prejudice", that's fine. I need to "read" more, huh? Well, I have 4 years of college and 6 more of grad school. I am certified to teach biology, chemistry, and physics, and have taught Honors and AP courses in all three. I do read regularly on the history and philosophy of science. How about you?

 

[Tom_H]

What does any of ths have to do with finding buried pipe with metal rods?

It has to do with the "inability" of anyone to find buried pipe with metal rods. It has to do with all of it being nonsensical myth, scientifically proven to be false.

 

[/pine]

ROFLMAO!! One doesn't get to declare something non-reputable just because he doesn't like it. All this is stuff you are only creating your own reality. If you want to call examining evidence of carefully crafted trials "prejudice", that's fine. I need to "read" more, huh? Well, I have 4 years of college and 6 more of grad school. I am certified to teach biology, chemistry, and physics, and have taught Honors and AP courses in all three. I do read regularly on the history and philosophy of science. How about you?

What you don't say says more than all your crowing about education...

FYI the searches I ran turned up more evidence (I'm sure some of it was even "carefully crafted") in support of the art than against it...sorry you're wrong...plain and simple but you know what they say about arguing on the Internet don't you?...

people can claim anything they want on Internet message boards...usually when it gets down to chest thumping and huffing...it's time to find a more interesting topic...thanks for the chuckles

scientifically proven to be false.

NO it hasn't....you need to get a clue

 

[LQPAPPY]

Next thing you know the nay-sayers will line up preaching that Wart-Wishing doesn't work. What's the world coming too ?

 

[Willl]

How in the heck did you come up with that? I never said or implied anything of the like...!

Post # 54, line 12, "but in fact those two clowns have never "busted" any myth period"
Really ?
Those two clowns have busted so many 'obvious' myths your statement means 0.

 

[Egon]

While shuffling up the stairs to my attic domicile of the evening a glance outside through a small frosted window pane showed a full, clear, bright moon shinning upon a frozen white landscape!

But no coyotes were heard howling??

 

[J_J]

While shuffling up the stairs to my attic domicile of the evening a glance outside through a small frosted window pane showed a full, clear, bright moon shinning upon a frozen white landscape!

But no coyotes were heard howling??

That is because you don't believe. They were howling, you just did not hear them. You have to open your mind and feel the presence. Yea, sure.

 

[J_J]

Some people obviously believe in dowsing, and will continue to believe till their dying days. I hope those people get satisfaction of using this mystical means of finding water and other would be elements. I would really like to see dowsing work, so I can boast about how I can somehow call up the lines of force and determine the source , depth, and the quality of water. That would really be something to brag about.

Tell me this, just how do you compensate for the magnetic force of water in the human body.

What would really be nice if one could lay hands on his/her tractor and determine the malfunction, by believing in the magnetic field put out by the malfunction part. Wow, no more service calls.