gwdixon
Elite Member
This thread has been interesting but divisive. Might as well be arguing politics or religion. There seem to be no agnostics so let me join that group.
As a preface, and like Tom H, I have a University of CA degree in Mathematics with a minor in Physics - with post graduate work.
Quick Story:
A road crew was going to put a culvert under my driveway but had to get USAA to inspect for underground utilities before digging. The supervisor came by to approve the project and said that USAA was used along with the metal wire technique. Rubbish was my response.
He had me find two metal hangers and made the bent wires. He then walked around my property and found buried PVC water pipe and electrical feeds. Some buried for 30 years with no visible clues. I was following along behind him so there were no visual clues from me.
He gave the wires to me and it also worked when I went over the buried lines. What astounded me was that for certain lines the wires would rotate outward while with others they would rotate inward. Repeating the route repeated the result. In no case did the wires rotate to the left or right - always inward or outward.
Being trained on scientific principles there had to be a reasonable and plausible explanation. The phenomenon is observable so deductive reasoning must create a theory for an explanation.
I tried the techinque on a piece of PVC from a stockpile and there was no response from the wires.
A hypothesis is that an electrical field or charge is created that produces a magnetic condition. That is easy with buried electrical cable since electrical flow creates a magnetic field (think electric motor).
Water flow through a aquifer or a pipe, be it PVC or metal, creates friction between the water and the media. Electrons are rubbed from the water molecule creating a charge. Static electricity can produce a magnetic field as well (think lightning).
What about lines with no activity? Static electricity bleeds off in time but since energy can neither be created nor destroyed it remains in the soil stored in rocks or metallic elements. Long abandoned electrical wire or water pipe would be more difficult to find as the charge dissipates further.
One would think that the advanced technology available these days would be able to detect such forces. That not being the case is why my view is that of an agnostic.
I can offer no explanation of why a wooden stick might react to underground water.
Now let's get back to arguing about UDT, SUDT, generic lubricants, and whatever else has a loyal following.
As a preface, and like Tom H, I have a University of CA degree in Mathematics with a minor in Physics - with post graduate work.
Quick Story:
A road crew was going to put a culvert under my driveway but had to get USAA to inspect for underground utilities before digging. The supervisor came by to approve the project and said that USAA was used along with the metal wire technique. Rubbish was my response.
He had me find two metal hangers and made the bent wires. He then walked around my property and found buried PVC water pipe and electrical feeds. Some buried for 30 years with no visible clues. I was following along behind him so there were no visual clues from me.
He gave the wires to me and it also worked when I went over the buried lines. What astounded me was that for certain lines the wires would rotate outward while with others they would rotate inward. Repeating the route repeated the result. In no case did the wires rotate to the left or right - always inward or outward.
Being trained on scientific principles there had to be a reasonable and plausible explanation. The phenomenon is observable so deductive reasoning must create a theory for an explanation.
I tried the techinque on a piece of PVC from a stockpile and there was no response from the wires.
A hypothesis is that an electrical field or charge is created that produces a magnetic condition. That is easy with buried electrical cable since electrical flow creates a magnetic field (think electric motor).
Water flow through a aquifer or a pipe, be it PVC or metal, creates friction between the water and the media. Electrons are rubbed from the water molecule creating a charge. Static electricity can produce a magnetic field as well (think lightning).
What about lines with no activity? Static electricity bleeds off in time but since energy can neither be created nor destroyed it remains in the soil stored in rocks or metallic elements. Long abandoned electrical wire or water pipe would be more difficult to find as the charge dissipates further.
One would think that the advanced technology available these days would be able to detect such forces. That not being the case is why my view is that of an agnostic.
I can offer no explanation of why a wooden stick might react to underground water.
Now let's get back to arguing about UDT, SUDT, generic lubricants, and whatever else has a loyal following.
