Loved Ones - Toyota

[Egon]

jump out of the plane and hope the parachute opens!

That plane may be on the wire system too!:thumbsup::laughing:

 

[dcyrilc]

That plane may be on the wire system too!:thumbsup::laughing:

Or the parachute!

 

[Coyote machine]

Perhaps I'm wrong but I believe they said they were pushing the "start" button but the car would not shut off - little did they or the 911 operator know but the Toyota's require the "start" button to be held down for 3 seconds to shut off the engines.

My question is why don't these cars have a detent maintained panic button like on all my industrial equipment?

Answer is:
Say like a Kamakazi button, with ejection through the sunroof on Toyotas and through the moonroof on Lexus models?!:laughing:

 

[turbo36]

Answer is:
Say like a Kamakazi button, with ejection through the sunroof on Toyotas and through the moonroof on Lexus models?!:laughing:

The name is "Bond", "Jaaaames Bond"

 

[BobRip]

Perhaps I'm wrong but I believe they said they were pushing the "start" button but the car would not shut off - little did they or the 911 operator know but the Toyota's require the "start" button to be held down for 3 seconds to shut off the engines.

My question is why don't these cars have a detent maintained panic button like on all my industrial equipment?

If the start button feeds into the same computer and the computer is not allowing throttle control and gear shift control, why would it allow engine shutdown. I like the emergency detented panic button. This might frighten some people, but they need something. We always wired emergency buttons to relays with hard contacts. No matter what the computer did, they would shut it down.

 

[Egon]

Just hard wire it direct to a positive air shutoff.:thumbsup:

 

[two_bit_score]

Depends on your definition of safe. There are degrees of safety. There is always more room to install yet another air bag. Multi-point seat belts ala NASCAR would help. Rear facing passenger seats would be good too. Even if there were a production car that cost a million bucks due to safety gadgets and exhaustive testing it would not be 100% safe.

At some point we all make a decision that something is safe enough. If you are willing to go back a few decades in automotive engineering sophistication regarding pollution, mileage, and such then a much simpler (safer) propulsion plant can be used.

Pat

Like I said. I guess you are right. Anything, if carried out to the nth degree of unreasonableness becomes almost impossible. Just too much to ask for a safe car. :laughing:

 

[two_bit_score]

Shrug. My simpleton take is this. Toyota, like everyone else, builds cars that are mostly pretty good and pretty safe. But, occasionally, they screw up. This isn't shocking. Even good companies screw up. They all do. Imperfect people building a complex machine is always going to be recipe for flaws. Again, not shocking.

The real question should be simply, did Toyota act responsibly towards its customers in response to the any flaws that may have come to light?

Exactly. :thumbsup:


And the answer is that they DID NOT.

 

[Coyote machine]

Panic button? I think a break glass instead of calling 911 on your cell if you're doing in excess of 100mph without intending to do so label with a large American made Craftsman, guaranteed for life- no questions asked sledge hammer with a bullseye on the dash showing where to connect the hammer's head would suffice, so long as it smashed the main abbynormal Toyota brain that should bring the computer to a resting state when it gets overexcited.
Simplicity of engineering! Positive failsafe device, adds only $100 to price of Toyotas and $750 for the Lexus models, so those customers don't feel like they are driving the much less status invoking Toyota car/truck.
Problem solved, end of story, move on to more important things!

 

[Renze]

It still makes me wonder, all those runaway car stories...

Turning the iginition off will be a bad idea as most probably the steering lock will engage at 100mph... Not good...
But a manual, you can hit the clutch or just pull out of gear.
An automatic, dont these have a lever with a bowden cable for park, reverse, neutral and drive ?

The few times that the old Ford Sierra TD ran away on me because it was running on the oil a leaky turbo gasket threw into the intake, i could simply kill it with the brakes.