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   / You have gotta see this . #41  
Those companies are made up of people, much like you and I, who have concerns for the environment, and for the energy resources of the planet.


OR..... do they have concerns on how to make $$money$$. The loggers I mentioned said they go through retreads because that is what they can afford when in a pinch. They also said they go through a lot of them, where as if they could afford the regular tire it would be cheaper in the long run. Is this a bad business decission, yes, have we all made decissions like this, I know I have.....

The reason I posted this was because it was mentioned that a retread doesn't fail. They showed one that did fail, because it was a retread. They also showed how dangerous it was going to be to change the retread because it was a weak tire still full of air. If a person didn't understand the power of air pressure and walked up to ANY tire that was missing chinks{full of air} the explosion could easily kill.
 
   / You have gotta see this . #42  
OR..... do they have concerns on how to make $$money$$. The loggers I mentioned said they go through retreads because that is what they can afford when in a pinch. They also said they go through a lot of them, where as if they could afford the regular tire it would be cheaper in the long run. Is this a bad business decission, yes, have we all made decissions like this, I know I have.....

The reason I posted this was because it was mentioned that a retread doesn't fail. They showed one that did fail, because it was a retread. They also showed how dangerous it was going to be to change the retread because it was a weak tire still full of air. If a person didn't understand the power of air pressure and walked up to ANY tire that was missing chinks{full of air} the explosion could easily kill.

I can't speak for them but.. I HAVE CONCERNS ON HOW TO MAKE MONEY. I put that in caps because I want to say it LOUD AND PROUD. I need money to pay my bills, and I want to earn money for that purpose. If the workers for companies are like me, they have concerns on how to make money as well, but I only speak for me...I need to make money because I need money, and I don't want it given to me as if I am helpless, and I don't want to steal it like a crook.

"The reason I posted this was because it was mentioned that a retread doesn't fail." I will reread this entire thread tonight, looking for that statement. If I said it, I was wrong. If I said it, I apologize.

"They showed one that did fail, because it was a retread." No, they showed a retread that has failed. This is not sufficient to prove that the failure was "because it was a retread." This is an episode. You have seen an episode where a retread failed in your own life. Some sites tout that retreads are as reliable as, and often more reliable than new tires. <- I just not mentioned that, but I have not cited it, and do not have the ability to generate my own statistics. But I ask you, can you think of a reason the loggers would ever cite a failed new tire?

I suppose if retreads are not good enough for log truck duty, they will be used only for lesser tasks, such as ambulance duty, school bus duty, race car duty, and other insignificant tasks as outlined below.

From recycle.com
For most fleets, tires represent the third largest item in the operating budget, right after labor and fuel. When vehicle tires have become worn, many can be refurbished with new tread. Retreading bonds new tread to the tire body using a process very similar to the manufacture of a new tire. This not only saves on the cost of having to dispose of the tire, but also saves 30% to 50% of the cost to purchase a new one.

Retread tires have been used successfully on fleet vehicles such as school buses (as rear tires), trucks, and airplanes for many years. In fact, approximately 80% of all aircraft tires in service in the U.S., including those used on Air Force One, are retreads. In most applications, retread tires can be driven under the same conditions and at the same speeds as new tires, with no loss in safety or comfort.

My words again: Bill Clinton mandated the use of retreads on govenment vehicles, not some poor slub at a rubber factory somewhere. Statistics are kept, and well known, and can be found by you should you care to look. Episodic information on a potential retread failure is no different than citing local weather this week as the climate, but your logic seems to vary depending on the topic. But companies, made up of people trying to earn a living are always suspect in some peoples mind. I don't understand that, and I never will. Don't we all work for a company, even if we are the sole employee, and own the business. The only people who don't work for a company are people who work for the government, and their wages come from people who work for a company. I prefer to think of the whole thing as "working for a living," and I consider it a good thing, and I leave it at that.
 
   / You have gotta see this . #43  
I can't speak for them but.. I HAVE CONCERNS ON HOW TO MAKE MONEY. I put that in caps because I want to say it LOUD AND PROUD. I need money to pay my bills, and I want to earn money for that purpose. If the workers for companies are like me, they have concerns on how to make money as well, but I only speak for me...I need to make money because I need money, and I don't want it given to me as if I am helpless, and I don't want to steal it like a crook.

Wooo, I'm not knocking an honest days pay for an honest days work. I'm just saying many times money talks everything else is in 2nd or last place.

"The reason I posted this was because it was mentioned that a retread doesn't fail." I will reread this entire thread tonight, looking for that statement. If I said it, I was wrong. If I said it, I apologize.

I never said it was you, I just said it was suggested. Don't reread the whole thread, I'm sure you have better things to do :)

"They showed one that did fail, because it was a retread." No, they showed a retread that has failed. This is not sufficient to prove that the failure was "because it was a retread." This is an episode. You have seen an episode where a retread failed in your own life. Some sites tout that retreads are as reliable as, and often more reliable than new tires. <- I just not mentioned that, but I have not cited it, and do not have the ability to generate my own statistics. But I ask you, can you think of a reason the loggers would ever cite a failed new tire?

I drove truck for a living and ran both retread and non. Retreads failed hands down over regular. I also said this was some time back so maybe things have changed??? Pelletier pretty much said on there show the way I feel. I just thought I'd post something that could be backed up besides MO.

I suppose if retreads are not good enough for log truck duty, they will be used only for lesser tasks, such as ambulance duty, school bus duty, race car duty, and other insignificant tasks as outlined below.

From recycle.com
For most fleets, tires represent the third largest item in the operating budget, right after labor and fuel. When vehicle tires have become worn, many can be refurbished with new tread. Retreading bonds new tread to the tire body using a process very similar to the manufacture of a new tire. This not only saves on the cost of having to dispose of the tire, but also saves 30% to 50% of the cost to purchase a new one.

Retread tires have been used successfully on fleet vehicles such as school buses (as rear tires), trucks, and airplanes for many years. In fact, approximately 80% of all aircraft tires in service in the U.S., including those used on Air Force One, are retreads. In most applications, retread tires can be driven under the same conditions and at the same speeds as new tires, with no loss in safety or comfort.

Did you notice the last line IN MOST cases.... so which cases would that be?

My words again: Bill Clinton mandated the use of retreads on govenment vehicles, not some poor slub at a rubber factory somewhere.

Sorry, not sure what I was thinking, a politicain stands behind it, so it must be good :confused2::p:laughing: Just picking couldn't resist.

Statistics are kept, and well known, and can be found by you should you care to look. Episodic information on a potential retread failure is no different than citing local weather this week as the climate, but your logic seems to vary depending on the topic. But companies, made up of people trying to earn a living are always suspect in some peoples mind. I don't understand that, and I never will. Don't we all work for a company, even if we are the sole employee, and own the business. The only people who don't work for a company are people who work for the government, and their wages come from people who work for a company. I prefer to think of the whole thing as "working for a living," and I consider it a good thing, and I leave it at that.

Not sure where this P___ing contest is going and don't care. I never once knocked ANYONE for working :mad: I simply thought I'd add another opinion{Pelletier logging} to the retread topic. I'm sorry for stepping on your toes, not my intention AT ALL. I drove tractor trailer and have been around heavy equipment for many years. MY OPINIONs are just that, mine, the facts I have come from experience and things I've wittnessed. I have seen retread failure and just feel that regular tires are better. I have been told by FireStone not to buy retread because they are not as safe nor is the savings that great.

Once again, sorry if I raised your blood pressure.
 

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