Loved Ones - Toyota

   / Loved Ones - Toyota #381  
Your missing the issue here. It is not realistic or possible to train millions of people to react when something goes wrong. I'm not saying its a bad idea but its just not going to happen. I know its not possible to make perfect autos nor is it possible for people to react correctly everytime in a panic situation. I have seen NASCAR drivers do some stupid stuff on the track, even they are not perfect.

People not knowing what to do in a emergency is not something new, this was going on before the Toyota problems. Now everyone thinks they can fix it from the computer keyboard.

The bottom line I was trying to make was we wouldn't be having this discussion and wouldn't hearing about it on the news and tv if Toyota had fixed the problem years ago when they found out they had a problem.

The problem is the cars, giving solutions(training) to a problem that doesn't fix the original problem is a political band-aid.

I thought "training millions of people to react" was called
drivers ed. At least that what they called it when I was in High school.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #382  
I thought "training millions of people to react" was called
drivers ed. At least that what they called it when I was in High school.

To quote a move which I can't remember the title to anymore, "What are they teaching kids these days?".
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #383  
I thought "training millions of people to react" was called
drivers ed. At least that what they called it when I was in High school.

Just another of those things that is changing. I took drivers ed in high school at no cost to my parents; just another class. I know the local Ford dealer provided a new car in the Fall and got it back when school was out the next summer. But for my daughters, I had to pay $110 for the older one, then 3 years later, I think it was $135 for the younger one and drivers ed in their high school was a joke (41 and 44 years ago). I still had to teach them to drive. But then the schools in this area quit offering drivers ed. My grandson's school didn't have it (6 years ago), and I just noticed in the newspaper recently that this is the last year that the Denton, TX, school will have drivers ed available.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #384  
Just another of those things that is changing. I took drivers ed in high school at no cost to my parents; just another class. I know the local Ford dealer provided a new car in the Fall and got it back when school was out the next summer. But for my daughters, I had to pay $110 for the older one, then 3 years later, I think it was $135 for the younger one and drivers ed in their high school was a joke (41 and 44 years ago). I still had to teach them to drive. But then the schools in this area quit offering drivers ed. My grandson's school didn't have it (6 years ago), and I just noticed in the newspaper recently that this is the last year that the Denton, TX, school will have drivers ed available.

Since we moved to Maine in '94 at least, Driver's Ed has been done by private companies after school and weekends.
Dave.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #385  
Since we moved to Maine in '94 at least, Driver's Ed has been done by private companies after school and weekends.
Dave.

Oh, yeah, we've got lots of private companies in the business and it isn't cheap, although I'm not sure sure I'd do it for what they charge.:D
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #386  
They never taught what we have discussed here when I took driver's ed (40 years ago). No emergency maneuvering, snow driving, engine runaway, anything like that.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #387  
To quote a move which I can't remember the title to anymore, "What are they teaching kids these days?".

Cyril, You are asking the wrong question, it should be - 'What are kids learning these days?'

What one intends to teach and what is actually learned can be two very different things. :)
Dave.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #388  
They never taught what we have discussed here when I took driver's ed (40 years ago). No emergency maneuvering, snow driving, engine runaway, anything like that.

Took drivers ed in Michigan 35 years ago through the high school. We were the lucky ones because it was February and Huron Bay was frozen. Our teacher tooks us out and let us put the car into a spin and then learn how to straighten the car back out. We also got use to the feeling of a car going into a skid so we didn't freak out when it happened in real life. For years I would find an empty parking lot after the first good snow and drive around doing "doughnuts". Yes it looks like play time, but it brings back what you need to do when something happens. Got out of the habit since front wheel drive. Car handles much different.

Wedge
 
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#389  
When was that? I went to the "Long Course" for the 1971-72 school year. And I figure the 80% would be conservative.:laughing: I would have guessed at least 85%.:laughing:

1967-68 I think. The gentleman was a retired GA Highway Patrolman who had attended the "Long Course" and when he retired from the GA Highway Patrol he was hired by North Western. A good person for the job, he fit very well.
 
   / Loved Ones - Toyota #390  
Your missing the issue here. It is not realistic or possible to train millions of people to react when something goes wrong. I'm not saying its a bad idea but its just not going to happen. I know its not possible to make perfect autos nor is it possible for people to react correctly everytime in a panic situation. I have seen NASCAR drivers do some stupid stuff on the track, even they are not perfect.

People not knowing what to do in a emergency is not something new, this was going on before the Toyota problems. Now everyone thinks they can fix it from the computer keyboard.

The bottom line I was trying to make was we wouldn't be having this discussion and wouldn't hearing about it on the news and tv if Toyota had fixed the problem years ago when they found out they had a problem.

The problem is the cars, giving solutions(training) to a problem that doesn't fix the original problem is a political band-aid.

The problem is that USA and similarly developed countries are in general disciplined. People behave more or less predictably, roads are good so emergencies don't happen offten. Then take countries with vague trafic rules or where only trafic rule is that there are no rules. Driving there is a chain of emergencies. I have driven in such countries and did few stupid things like driving on wrong side of the road (they had left hand trafic) and nobody hit me or even got excited about that. What I am saying is that all Americans should go and drive in India, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait or at least southern Italy or Czech Republic. In a week there will be no emergency they couldn't handle.
 

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