Buying Advice Grand L vs. MF 1600 Series?

   / Grand L vs. MF 1600 Series?
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#11  
Well I went and drove some of the L's today. Forward visibility good, not great. Side and back visibility was excellent. Cab noise, pretty low. Terrific heat. Unbelievably responsive loaders. Can't say I liked the joysticks a lot - they felt a bit far back and the knob small. I thought the HST was a bit twitchy, even playing around a bit with the responsiveness. I really liked the dual speed lever, though. The rocker pedal isn't great - the angle is all wrong, at least for me. Overall, I thought they felt a bit top-heavy, but I'm not used to cabs, either.

One thing about the common complaint about the brakes being on the right - this was a COMPLETE non-problem. Easy to reach, easy to use.

On to the Masseys tomorrow.
 
   / Grand L vs. MF 1600 Series? #12  
Well I went and drove some of the L's today. Forward visibility good, not great. Side and back visibility was excellent. Cab noise, pretty low. Terrific heat. Unbelievably responsive loaders. Can't say I liked the joysticks a lot - they felt a bit far back and the knob small. I thought the HST was a bit twitchy, even playing around a bit with the responsiveness. I really liked the dual speed lever, though. The rocker pedal isn't great - the angle is all wrong, at least for me. Overall, I thought they felt a bit top-heavy, but I'm not used to cabs, either.

One thing about the common complaint about the brakes being on the right - this was a COMPLETE non-problem. Easy to reach, easy to use.

On to the Masseys tomorrow.

That is why you need to try them out as what one person likes, another doesn't. I love the HST pedal on the new Lxx40 series. Yes, you will have to get use to a cab as they all feel top heavy to me too.
 
   / Grand L vs. MF 1600 Series? #13  
I agree with TripleR on the HST pedal. Yesterday while scraping up my paddock I fell in love with the HST. On the pedal, I like the piece that comes off the side to press on with my foot. Without that, I don't know if I would be comfortable. Also I absolutely love the auto throttle feature. I have not turned it off yet.:thumbsup:
 
   / Grand L vs. MF 1600 Series?
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I agree with TripleR on the HST pedal. Yesterday while scraping up my paddock I fell in love with the HST. On the pedal, I like the piece that comes off the side to press on with my foot. Without that, I don't know if I would be comfortable. Also I absolutely love the auto throttle feature. I have not turned it off yet.:thumbsup:

I liked the extension on the L's also, just not using the pedal in rocker fashion. I LIKE rocker pedals (I have one now), it's just that the ones in the L's are at the wrong angle.

I drove the Masseys today. I have to say in most respects I liked them a lot more than expected, which took me by surprise, actually, as I've been a Kubota fan for a while. Fit and finish of the MFs is superb, the cabs are spacious, the controls fit and felt better to me, and forward visibility was noticibly better than the Grand L's. The ride was smoother with less porpoising on the MFs. It was the forward/back porpoising as well as some side-to-side roll in the Kubota L's that gave the impression of top-heaviness. I didn't notice it in the MFs. The only thing that seemed slightly cheap on the MF cab were the quarter window latches. I preferred the MFs plastic seat after seeing a couple of used tractors with fabric seats. I bottomed out the Kubota seats on a couple of ruts - didn't happen in the MFs. The position control setting on the MFs didn't budge, where I could hardly get the L's setting NOT to move, no matter how gently I moved the lift control.

Loader performance seemed about the same between both lines, with a slight edge to Kubota. Cab access is slightly better on the Kubotas, I think, as are the larger sizes of the openable windows. The L's heater is better and quieter.

I didn't like the MF HST very much. It was very whiny. The side by side pedals don't do anything for me and, if anything, I think they could be dangerous. The Kubota Grand L's are CLEARLY the better choice in an HST.

On the other hand, I liked the MF power shuttle a lot. Very smooth forward and reverse and for loader work, where you'd be using the foot throttle, it's as easy as a hydro - think a flick of your hand instead of moving your foot. The clutch is also very light (non-tiring), and you can feather the speed very precisely to sneak up close to something.

The MFs loader frames seem phenomenally heavily built. They also extends to the rear of the tractor. Hydraulic components seemed very rugged also. One thing I did NOT like on the MFs, however, is the reliance on hoses instead of hard lines, and in particular, the loops of hose (for the loader) hanging below the frame - just waiting to get snagged.

The dealer had them pretty well spec'd as-is on the lot, including stereo in the cab, filled tires or weight box (my choice), heavy-duty bucket (w/cutting edge), and a couple of rear remotes. The last struck me as odd, though, as the MF brochure lists a 3-spool setup as optional, not 2.

Price? High - 29,950 for a 1635 with loader & powershuttle. Especially since I've seen figures on TbN in the 26-27 range for a 1643 Hydro with 3 remotes and loader.
 
   / Grand L vs. MF 1600 Series? #15  
I liked the extension on the L's also, just not using the pedal in rocker fashion. I LIKE rocker pedals (I have one now), it's just that the ones in the L's are at the wrong angle.

I drove the Masseys today. I have to say in most respects I liked them a lot more than expected, which took me by surprise, actually, as I've been a Kubota fan for a while. Fit and finish of the MFs is superb, the cabs are spacious, the controls fit and felt better to me, and forward visibility was noticibly better than the Grand L's. The ride was smoother with less porpoising on the MFs. It was the forward/back porpoising as well as some side-to-side roll in the Kubota L's that gave the impression of top-heaviness. I didn't notice it in the MFs. The only thing that seemed slightly cheap on the MF cab were the quarter window latches. I preferred the MFs plastic seat after seeing a couple of used tractors with fabric seats. I bottomed out the Kubota seats on a couple of ruts - didn't happen in the MFs. The position control setting on the MFs didn't budge, where I could hardly get the L's setting NOT to move, no matter how gently I moved the lift control.

Loader performance seemed about the same between both lines, with a slight edge to Kubota. Cab access is slightly better on the Kubotas, I think, as are the larger sizes of the openable windows. The L's heater is better and quieter.

I didn't like the MF HST very much. It was very whiny. The side by side pedals don't do anything for me and, if anything, I think they could be dangerous. The Kubota Grand L's are CLEARLY the better choice in an HST.

On the other hand, I liked the MF power shuttle a lot. Very smooth forward and reverse and for loader work, where you'd be using the foot throttle, it's as easy as a hydro - think a flick of your hand instead of moving your foot. The clutch is also very light (non-tiring), and you can feather the speed very precisely to sneak up close to something.

The MFs loader frames seem phenomenally heavily built. They also extends to the rear of the tractor. Hydraulic components seemed very rugged also. One thing I did NOT like on the MFs, however, is the reliance on hoses instead of hard lines, and in particular, the loops of hose (for the loader) hanging below the frame - just waiting to get snagged.

The dealer had them pretty well spec'd as-is on the lot, including stereo in the cab, filled tires or weight box (my choice), heavy-duty bucket (w/cutting edge), and a couple of rear remotes. The last struck me as odd, though, as the MF brochure lists a 3-spool setup as optional, not 2.

Price? High - 29,950 for a 1635 with loader & powershuttle. Especially since I've seen figures on TbN in the 26-27 range for a 1643 Hydro with 3 remotes and loader.


2 mid valves are standard, and the option of 3 valves, is better than 2. The MF has tons of hydraulic flow, so three remotes are always nice to have.

I agree, I do not like the hydro whine, and when I do finally buy, tt will be Powershuttle.

df.
 

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