Not to start an argument..............

[jenkinsph]

$25000 sounds like list price on that tractor to me. What kind of price did you get on the L4400? Really need to list the equipment on mantioned tractors to have some accuracy.

 

[Cat_Driver]

When your talking the " top two" Deere/Kubota over the other I think the extra money is going towards support and support is everything.

I have a 80's kubota and just had some parts delivered today that I never though I would be able to purchase. So what does that mean, it means I don't have to buy a new tractor I can just drop a few hundred in this on and keep going.

Lets talk resale. I bought a new Kubota in 1990 and drove it hard for 15 years and sold it for what I paid for it, where else does that happen?

Now lets talk reliability. That old piece of junk 1980 Kubota that was sitting in the weeds grown up all around the seat and sitting for 15 years with flat tires, well I filled up the tires put in a batter and she fired right up. I check the fluids and plowed for eight hours the next day. Same fuel, same oil, same hydraulic fluids, etc. just a new batter and fresh air in the tires. All my equipment should perform so well. In fact I have a New Sprinter Van made by Mercedes that has spent a weeks on end in the dealer, and Mercedes invented the car.

These off brand tractor companies, no thanks. If sales are poor hey will just pull up stakes and you will never hear from them again and that extra 3K you spent on a company still around will seem like chump change.

Bottom line, your buying the company your not buyin the tractor.

 

[robertwhite]

$25000 sounds like list price on that tractor to me. What kind of price did you get on the L4400? Really need to list the equipment on mantioned tractors to have some accuracy.

That's what I thought too, so I specifically asked. That is cost, not list. It could just be the dealer and JD doesn't allow for a "build it" on their web site so I don't truly know what list is. If the dealer was not playing around with numbers, I personally think it is an insult to the consumer at large to charge an additional $7K over one of your closest competitors on a very similar tractor. I will be calling another JD dealer in the morning to see what price they give me.

If it was a matter of 1 or 2 thousand, I would not think twice about it, but 7K is ridiculous.

Pricing on the L4400 (or any Kubota) is simple. Go to their web site, take a base tractor w/FEL, HST, folding ROPS and 4x4 and subtract the commonly known 12% to get real prcing.

 

[jenkinsph]

Robert,
Very interesting, the way I determined the price you mentioned was by going to the Deere site, selected the 3320 page then hit the build and price. I would think 15 to 18% off is in the ballpark.

I went to the Kubota site and to the L4400 page and could not find a way to build your own. What am I missing?

 

[patrick_g]

Yes, JD has been around forever, but guess what?

Kubota has only been in business for a little over 100 years!!!

Pazt

 

[TheGoose]

Was that for a cab tractor? Or regular? I got about that price for a 3520 with hydro from some dealers.

That's what I thought too, so I specifically asked. That is cost, not list. It could just be the dealer and JD doesn't allow for a "build it" on their web site so I don't truly know what list is. If the dealer was not playing around with numbers, I personally think it is an insult to the consumer at large to charge an additional $7K over one of your closest competitors on a very similar tractor. I will be calling another JD dealer in the morning to see what price they give me.

If it was a matter of 1 or 2 thousand, I would not think twice about it, but 7K is ridiculous.

Pricing on the L4400 (or any Kubota) is simple. Go to their web site, take a base tractor w/FEL, HST, folding ROPS and 4x4 and subtract the commonly known 12% to get real prcing.

 

[robertwhite]

Robert,
Very interesting, the way I determined the price you mentioned was by going to the Deere site, selected the 3320 page then hit the build and price. I would think 15 to 18% off is in the ballpark.

I went to the Kubota site and to the L4400 page and could not find a way to build your own. What am I missing?

:laughing: I couldn't figure out the JD site, you couldn't figure out the Kubota site. Pretty funny. Kubota is easy. Just go to their home page and click on the rural lifestyle photo. From there click on the L series and then pick which one you want, then up near the top is a build your own tab.

I will have to look at the JD site again. I won't be very happy if the guy priced it out at full retail and tried to play me for a fool.

ETA: Just went back to the JD site and found the build it part. Sure enough the clown of a dealer tried to sell the tractor for FULL retail. Base 3320 with Hydro and FEL is $25192 LIST.

I freakin' hate people like that.

Now if we look at full retail on the L3400 which comes in at $21, 050, it is still a $4K difference. That's a lot of impliments.

 

[robertwhite]

Was that for a cab tractor? Or regular? I got about that price for a 3520 with hydro from some dealers.

Regular tractor, no cab. Just FEL, HST on a base model 3320.

 

[300UGUY]

OK, got a perfect example of what I am talking about when I visited a JD dealer today.

I was quoted $25K for a JD 3320 w/FEL. :confused2: $25K for a 32hp JD with a Yanmar engine. WAAAAAY overpriced when compared to even a bigger L4400 Kubota, nevermind the smaller L's.

Features are all pretty close, yet the bigger L4400 w/FEL can easily be had for right around $23K (or less). As someone also mentioned, the JD cabin seems really cramped too.

If we compare apples to apples, the Kubota L3400 (which has a couple more hp than the JD3320) then there is a huge price difference. The L3400 w/FEL is in the $17.5K range.

That is more than $7K difference. How in the world can a JD be worth $7K more than a comparable Kubota, nevermind a CC/Yanmar which would be an even bigger price difference?

I am not knocking JD, I am just trying to figure out the reason. Yes, JD has been around forever, but guess what? That doesn't account for that kind of price difference in my mind, especially when the nearest JD dealer is 30 miles from my place.

I have been tractor shopping myself. I think you are not comparing apples to apples. The 3230 has the provisions for a mid mount mower, and a couple of other things that the L3400 does not. Deere does sell the "E" machines, a 32 hp yannie for 17K. No mid pto, a cheaper loader. I priced that today. I still like the L3400 better, it's a little heavier than the E machine, and a better tractor. I really think that resale value has to be considered, and deere and kubota are tops on that list. NH and MF are maybe ok. Mahindra, TYM, Branson, Kioti and the chinese are questionable. I really like the Kioti tractors, but the price difference was pretty minor relative to kubota. But the Kioti has a weak dealer network, and questionable resale value.

 

[buck12]

I have been tractor shopping myself. I think you are not comparing apples to apples. The 3230 has the provisions for a mid mount mower, and a couple of other things that the L3400 does not. Deere does sell the "E" machines, a 32 hp yannie for 17K. No mid pto, a cheaper loader. I priced that today. I still like the L3400 better, it's a little heavier than the E machine, and a better tractor. I really think that resale value has to be considered, and deere and kubota are tops on that list. NH and MF are maybe ok. Mahindra, TYM, Branson, Kioti and the chinese are questionable. I really like the Kioti tractors, but the price difference was pretty minor relative to kubota. But the Kioti has a weak dealer network, and questionable resale value.

Please elaborate on what makes some brands ok and others questionable. Is green plastic really worth that much more than red, orange, etc metal? I do know that green plastic is expensive to replace. Ask me how I know.