chinese maybe!!!

[Pops15]

No it obviously was not aimed -- I know and agree that in a number of places in the U.S you can go to the corner store and buy parts for that old Ford -- but have you had to put spark plugs in one of their truck engines lately? The days of simple repairs are gone and parts that used to be interchangeable for 10 years are non existant. If you want to believe that buying a new whatever will mean that you have parts availability, reliability and longevity like those oldies just because the name is the same and the price tag is high go ahead - forgive me if I am a little sceptical about that strategy

I WAS leaning heavily towards buying a NH for a number of reasons.....equipped the way I want/need, ergonomics, judging by the NH owners I've talked to they are good reliable tractors for the most part. Seems if they have a weakness it's the electronic safety switches. Since NH is switching to a new supplier for their CUT's I've got concerns about parts availability for existing models. That caused me to put my tractor purchase on hold. Having said that I'd rather risk being able to buy parts for a NH ten years from now than I would trying to find parts for a Chinese tractor 10 years from now.
Yes, I've changed plugs on a Ford truck recently. Not really a big deal but I wouldn't want to pull the engine!

 

[Pops15]

Amazing isn't it -- the price some people want for a used tractor boggles the mind. And of course they all run well and have been regularly serviced at the dealer and are being sold with great regret because the wife has insisted that there is not enough room for that and the new one:laughing:

I'm amazed at the prices people are paying for used tractors! I thought there was a recession. Seems there are deals out there but they're always half a country away. What I'm seeing is lots of tractors with 200-500 hours on them. People buy them when they build their new house in the country. After a couple years they're done with the landscaping and such so they sell their CUT and buy a ZTR.
When you regularly see people paying big money for used tractors it's a testament to the quality of those tractors.

 

[Soundguy]

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I do not have that access to parts for any tractor,new or old and so when I say I can get parts for the Jinma faster and cheaper than a Massey or Ford I am merely reflecting the reality of location.

There is a falacy in your logic.

If you are limited in parts availability to ANY machine due to location, and are in effect, goin online to order parts.. then all those other brands are just as available.. assuming you can find someone to ship them to you.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

I guess that was aimed at me for my comment about my friend's Jubilee. Until recently he had a 2N and the Jubilee as well as a Farmall. He had them since the 1980's. They were all well used but good solid tractors when he got them. Other than normal maintenance items the only things he needed to do was rebuild the carb on the 2N and replace a wheel bearing on the Jubilee. No one was more surprised than he was when he went to the NH dealer to ask if they could recommend a place for him to find a wheel bearing and they said they stocked parts back to the 9N (1939!!!!!). I can't say why they stock such old parts. Could be they are old stock they never had reason to sell. Could be those parts interchange with parts on newer tractors. Or could be since half of the N series Fords are reportedly still in use there is demand for them. I'm impressed that half of the Fords built between '39 and '52 are still in service.

there is some decent cross over. for instance.. some steering thrust bearings are spanning about 18 years.. etc. look at an 8n trans top cover gasket. fits all the 4 speeds from 47 thru 64.. etc..

Lets face it.. the parts are stocked because they sell. the more numbers of tractors out there still running, the longer parts will be stocked. Items like bearings, seals, gaskets and orings are all wear items. on old machines, use use them and deplete the wear items, then replace them. if you got a half million or more machines still running around that span 70 years of production manufacturer.. you pic the parts you sell the most and can be profitable on, and sell them.. it's all about making money.

on the downside.t here is a cost to this,

radiators from turkey, india, china, and sometimes ireland, if you are lucky.

generators and starters from india and china.

beairngs from china ( ever see a timken marked made in china... I have.. )

probably the most notorious old tractor part I see fail when repalce with new are mechanical voltage regulators. the oem ones go for about 50 years then give out.. and the chinese ones are lucky to work out o fthe box.. and even luckier to work for any real duration. complicate the matter if it is replacing a lucas part...

in order to remain profitable and stock alot of these old aprts.. they are made overseas. heads, manifolds, water pumps.. etc.. hecho en chine.. Many o fthe heads and manifolds have larger dimensions where the mounting bolts and studs go, making you use longer than oem fasteners. If I had to guess I'd say it's a thicker casting making up for poor metalurgy.

in the end.. most o fthe parts work.. qc is left up to the buyer.. you get a flawed one.. take it back for another one.

that's the difference in a good assembly line mass produced part.. and an assembly line produced part that has to be hand fit to meet spec... or work.

soundguy

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

No it obviously was not aimed -- I know and agree that in a number of places in the U.S you can go to the corner store and buy parts for that old Ford -- but have you had to put spark plugs in one of their truck engines lately? The days of simple repairs are gone and parts that used to be interchangeable for 10 years are non existant. If you want to believe that buying a new whatever will mean that you have parts availability, reliability and longevity like those oldies just because the name is the same and the price tag is high go ahead - forgive me if I am a little sceptical about that strategy

what you are hoping for is corporate longevity.. and hi volume sales. those 2 items together wil be big factors in determining if there are spare parts for you 'x' machine 'y' years down the road.

JD, and NH are long time players some of the conglomerates are huge and massive. ( not too massive to fail.. but.. )

as for compairing name to name.

I expect my antiques to be running along time. I expect my 2002 NH 7610s to be running a long time. it's built basically the same as the old 5??? / 7??? series going back into the 60's and 70's.

On the other hand. I wouldn't expect a new 33hp NH compact tractor to have the same life span as my old 33 hp 1955 ford 660.

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

Speaking of parts. anyone know where you can get engine parts including block and head castings for the non epa 2 cyl jinmas.. like the 18 hp jobs in the economy units like I looked at back when the homier tool shows sold them back in the late 90's when i was originally looking at them?

soundguy

I WAS leaning heavily towards buying a NH for a number of reasons.....equipped the way I want/need, ergonomics, judging by the NH owners I've talked to they are good reliable tractors for the most part. Seems if they have a weakness it's the electronic safety switches. Since NH is switching to a new supplier for their CUT's I've got concerns about parts availability for existing models. That caused me to put my tractor purchase on hold. Having said that I'd rather risk being able to buy parts for a NH ten years from now than I would trying to find parts for a Chinese tractor 10 years from now.
Yes, I've changed plugs on a Ford truck recently. Not really a big deal but I wouldn't want to pull the engine!

 

[Soundguy]

I'm amazed at the prices people are paying for used tractors! I thought there was a recession. Seems there are deals out there but they're always half a country away. What I'm seeing is lots of tractors with 200-500 hours on them. People buy them when they build their new house in the country. After a couple years they're done with the landscaping and such so they sell their CUT and buy a ZTR.
When you regularly see people paying big money for used tractors it's a testament to the quality of those tractors.

tell me about it. I live in the wrong part of the country to collect old iron. if I lived in the ne or mid nw I could get units for half what I pay here, and not have to drive 2-3 states away to get them..

soundguy

 

[Ranch_Hand_Supp]

Speaking of parts. anyone know where you can get engine parts including block and head castings for the non epa 2 cyl jinmas.. like the 18 hp jobs in the economy units like I looked at back when the homier tool shows sold them back in the late 90's when i was originally looking at them?

soundguy

Check with Tommy here Home of compact Jinma, Foton, and Koyker Tractors and Parts, Wood Chippers, Backhoes - Affordable Tractor Sales Company


The engine you are talking about is the TY290 .... tuff little engine. He does not have all parts on his web site.


Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply

 

[Pops15]

tell me about it. I live in the wrong part of the country to collect old iron. if I lived in the ne or mid nw I could get units for half what I pay here, and not have to drive 2-3 states away to get them..

soundguy

Seems like you're doing pretty good at finding old iron. There was an auction in Georgia yesterday with lots of old iron. A 9n LP, a couple of 8N's, two 801's, and a bunch of 3000's, and a few 2000,4000,5000's as well as several other brands.

 

[Pops15]

there is some decent cross over. for instance.. some steering thrust bearings are spanning about 18 years.. etc. look at an 8n trans top cover gasket. fits all the 4 speeds from 47 thru 64.. etc..

Lets face it.. the parts are stocked because they sell. the more numbers of tractors out there still running, the longer parts will be stocked. Items like bearings, seals, gaskets and orings are all wear items. on old machines, use use them and deplete the wear items, then replace them. if you got a half million or more machines still running around that span 70 years of production manufacturer.. you pic the parts you sell the most and can be profitable on, and sell them.. it's all about making money.

on the downside.t here is a cost to this,

radiators from turkey, india, china, and sometimes ireland, if you are lucky.

generators and starters from india and china.

beairngs from china ( ever see a timken marked made in china... I have.. )

probably the most notorious old tractor part I see fail when repalce with new are mechanical voltage regulators. the oem ones go for about 50 years then give out.. and the chinese ones are lucky to work out o fthe box.. and even luckier to work for any real duration. complicate the matter if it is replacing a lucas part...

in order to remain profitable and stock alot of these old aprts.. they are made overseas. heads, manifolds, water pumps.. etc.. hecho en chine.. Many o fthe heads and manifolds have larger dimensions where the mounting bolts and studs go, making you use longer than oem fasteners. If I had to guess I'd say it's a thicker casting making up for poor metalurgy.

in the end.. most o fthe parts work.. qc is left up to the buyer.. you get a flawed one.. take it back for another one.

that's the difference in a good assembly line mass produced part.. and an assembly line produced part that has to be hand fit to meet spec... or work.

soundguy

soundguy

There's probably more interchange on vintage iron than people realize. I have a buddy that works for Cat. He tells me there are parts on the graders that interchange goes back 50 years.