Cadillac of tractors?

whodat526 · Jun 14, 2010

90% of the turbos on compact trators are not for hp gain but for more of epa requirements and the other 10% is really just a selling feature cause what is 3 or 4 more hp going to do nothing that it couldn't do with out it

but u will hardly ever have a turbo go out on a compact cause the tractor will hardly ever be used like the larger equipment

but i would say if u don't like a turbo dont get one it is your decision and nobody else no matter if they like them or not u wont gain are lose much either way

Duffster · Jun 14, 2010

whodat526 said:
90% of the turbos on compact trators are not for hp gain but for more of epa requirements and the other 10% is really just a selling feature cause what is 3 or 4 more hp going to do nothing that it couldn't do with out it

4 hp is alot on a compact.

whodat526 · Jun 14, 2010

what more can u do with 4 hp i cant think of anything

but what i was trying to get at is that there is no reason for everybody to be arguing over a turbo that will only gain 4 hp is not that big of a deal if somebody likes turbo good if they dont like them thats ok to thats there personal preference

Builder · Jun 14, 2010

Dargo said:
Yup, that's why every piece of heavy equipment, modern full sized tractors, dozers, scrapers, pans etc. etc. all have turbo chargers. Most heavy tractors, such in dozers, have a couple of turbo chargers. Nah, they aren't so important.

So where do we disagree? And where did I say they "aren't so important"

???

I have a 70HP tractor without a turbo and a 108HP "full size" tractor with one and 3 diesel trucks with turbos on them

The "new & improved" has a turbo with a WHOPPING 1 additional HP and a bunch of pollution crap I could live without. On my tractor YES it IS unimportant. Actually it's has almost zero cost to benefit.

Disagree with me, fine. Put words in my mouth? I don't think so. I'm agreeing with you on most points.

Duffster · Jun 14, 2010

whodat526 said:
what more can u do with 4 hp i cant think of anything

but what i was trying to get at is that there is no reason for everybody to be arguing over a turbo that will only gain 4 hp is not that big of a deal if somebody likes turbo good if they dont like them thats ok to thats there personal preference

So why do they sell tractors with only 4-5 hp difference?

whodat526 · Jun 14, 2010

because there is so many people that buy tractors that think 4 hp is a big deal and will give $2000 more for a tractor with 4 more hp its call sells features but if u dyno test most of the compact tractors that has a 4 hp difference u will see there really is no difference in them at all

u only see it in the compacts u dont see it in the bigger tractors

Dargo · Jun 14, 2010

Builder said:
Couldn't live without a turbocharger on a truck. the get up and go performance is [sic] unmistakeable. On a tractor, not so important.

Sorry pal, but those are your words. It's a direct quote from you. You said, and I quote again, "On a tractor, not so important." I gave information as to why I rather strongly disagree with your statement. Not trying to be contrary, but I've worked on plenty tractors with turbo chargers on them that made a HUGE difference. Have you tried to operate a D11 with neither turbo working? It seems like it has almost no hp or torque. I feel the twin turbos it has make quite a difference and are rather important.

rjkobbeman · Jun 14, 2010

Duffster said:
So why do they sell tractors with only 4-5 hp difference?

Yeah, "only" 4 horse must matter... because up and down Kubota's entire B line is in 3 and 4 horse increments. (This isn't implying they have turbos, it is just to illustrate that 3 or 4 horse does matter in the tractor marketplace.)

The only difference I can tell between Kubota's M8540 (85 horse) and M9540 (95 horse) engine is the M9540 has an intercooler (both have a turbo). My guess is they just increased the boost a little only wastegate. This is a 10 HP gain (12%)... pretty significant.

Yes, a lot of turbo use in the CUTS does seem to be emissions related.

I think the main argument about turbos was their perceived risk. Turbos in diesel engines are so widely used today, that the added complexity and possibility of failure is just something I (and A LOT of tractor owers) just don't lose sleep over.

I did not buy my tractor because it had a turbo... nor did I exclude it from my buying decision because it had one.

whodat526 · Jun 14, 2010

whats i was trying to say is there shouldn't be a big argument over a turbo thats goin to only gain 4 hp if they are that scared of one breaking them they really will not loose anything buy getting the tractor with out the turbo and i dont see a tractor with 4 more hp doing much more than a tractor with out it but i would agree the turbo would be the last thing i would be worried about going out because like i said it does not really do the same things as the ones on the large pieces of machinery they are more for just epa reguirements than hp gain