7 dust going the way of stuff that works

[clemsonfor]

Here in Ontario the Province banned "all" pesticides and herbicides for non farm use. Retail stores can no longer sell these products to residential users. We can only purchase these products at registered farm supply stores and only if you have a pesticide license. The government has forced most people to go organic. Not even licensed farmers or "Weedman type" commercial lawn care people can spray a yard with any herbicide like 2-4-d on residential yards. Diatomaceous earth is one of the few products most home gardeners can still use to control bugs.

This does have every thing to do with government. Read the first line, "....province banned all pesticides.." For whatever reason it really dosent matter, the government banned it not the homeowners. I would still be able to buy it luckily in that case as i own a family farm and will hold a pesticide licence for restricted chemicals this spring. This is a horrible thing and hope this never makes it to the states. The only reason i have squash plants this year is due in part to Sevin. All my neighbors said they have no problems with squash worms so i did not do like last year an coat my vines every rain and low and behold i lost all but 5 plants to worms replanted them and then lost 2 of those 5 i had left, so now i am back to religious sevin application and will keep it that way. My day job is a forester so i have a little more knowlege of herbicides than the average person that goes to lowes etc. Glyphosate, the active ingrediant in roundup, forms harmless crystals that bond in the soil when it hits the ground which will hold all but the most careless pouring of it on the ground. The soil will lock it up and hold it till it disenagrates.

-Nate

 

[dooleysm]

Sevin dust is the only thing we've found that will control ants in the house. We follow the trail of them to find where they are coming in, put a small pile of Sevin dust there, and within 24 hours, no more ants. 3-4 little piles of dust every spring, and no more ants the rest of the season.

Tried the Torro liquid poison with Borax. They eat that stuff like candy and come back for more.

 

[aczlan]

I hope it doesn't get outlawed here in NY. A 1/4 cup of it blown into the entrance hole of a nest in the siding does wonders for getting rid of unwanted wasps.

Aaron Z

 

[Redbug]

HeeHaw noted it was the 10%. Hopefully the 5% will stay on the shelves. Pricewise, the 10% is a better deal for the percentage vs the money. To dust dogs the maker recommends the 5%. The 10% is too strong. I use the 10% around the house and shop and plan to stock up before it sells out.

Remember the days when you could buy those pump sprayers for dusts? Fill the can with the powder and pump the bicycle type pump. Can't find those anymore. They worked pretty good. If any of you know where to get a couple let me know...

Wendallb...you have used the Bayer product? I will buy a bag next time when I go to Lowe's and try it. Sevin dust is the best, though.

 

[wendallb]

Redbug, yes I have used the Bayer and seems to work just like sevin, has been working well for me.

 

[Redbug]

Thanks Wendall!

 

[Rob-D]

I don't get it, people don't see the damage they are doing so they think it's not there.

The main ingredient in Seven is carbaryl, here's some of the damage it does:

"It causes birth defects in mammals, especially dogs.

It worsens the condition of people with hypertension and people on anti-depressant drugs.

It impairs the function of the pituitary gland, the thyroid gland, and the reproductive system.

It causes hyperactivity and learning disabilities in mammals.

It could increase the chance of heart attack in people with weak hearts.

The main break-down product, nitrosocarbaryl, which is easily created in the human gut, is a potent cancer-causing agent.

It causes irreversible chromosomal damage to human DNA (the genes in our cells)."

Carbaryl - Pesticide Black Death

Is this what you want your kids to ingest?

Now we have Roundup (glyphosate) so farmers can do "no till corn" which has to be genetically modified (GMO) to resist the pesticide. Trouble is that we don't know the long range effects of modifying our planet. If you ask Monsanto for absolute proof that GMO's won't go the way of their other products PCBs (carcinogenic) and the defoliate Agent Orange they have no answer. We're taking a bite of an apple that we can't replace. Is this the legacy we want to leave future generations?

Talk to a nurse in a hospital about cancer and ask her about the alarming rates that it has risen to. We now see young children getting cancer. The pesticdes on peanuts are so damaging that it can't be brought into schools. Is this what we want?

I used Tarro on ants and so did my firend. In both cases it was 100% effective, it just took time to work. But we don't have time anymore in this country. Too bad, what does that say about the value of our lives?

Rob

 

[clemsonfor]

I don't get it, people don't see the damage they are doing so they think it's not there.

The main ingredient in Seven is carbaryl, here's some of the damage it does:

"It causes birth defects in mammals, especially dogs.

It worsens the condition of people with hypertension and people on anti-depressant drugs.

It impairs the function of the pituitary gland, the thyroid gland, and the reproductive system.

It causes hyperactivity and learning disabilities in mammals.

It could increase the chance of heart attack in people with weak hearts.

The main break-down product, nitrosocarbaryl, which is easily created in the human gut, is a potent cancer-causing agent.

It causes irreversible chromosomal damage to human DNA (the genes in our cells)."

Carbaryl - Pesticide Black Death

Is this what you want your kids to ingest?

Now we have Roundup (glyphosate) so farmers can do "no till corn" which has to be genetically modified (GMO) to resist the pesticide. Trouble is that we don't know the long range effects of modifying our planet. If you ask Monsanto for absolute proof that GMO's won't go the way of their other products PCBs (carcinogenic) and the defoliate Agent Orange they have no answer. We're taking a bite of an apple that we can't replace. Is this the legacy we want to leave future generations?

Talk to a nurse in a hospital about cancer and ask her about the alarming rates that it has risen to. We now see young children getting cancer. The pesticdes on peanuts are so damaging that it can't be brought into schools. Is this what we want?

I used Tarro on ants and so did my firend. In both cases it was 100% effective, it just took time to work. But we don't have time anymore in this country. Too bad, what does that say about the value of our lives?

Rob

Im not going to argue that too much will do this ar licking the stuff but FDA has approved it, this does not mean that anything our government does it does it right but if it would be linked to normal use it would be outlawed. Cancer rates have gone up because people live longer and go to the doctor more and our diagnostics are better. Young kids develop it now more redily than 50 years ago cause they would not go to a doctor till to late and then they did not know what it was. There are 60 year old guys in my town that tell me that they did not see a doctor till they were in their 20's, born at home and did not see one till 24 years old. These are the guys that one when he cut himself with a chain saw did not do anything and kept cutting pulpwood, the other cut his leg left work went to the hospital to get it stiched and was at work the next mourning in the same cut/bloody jeans felling trees. Im only 28 and yea im soft compared to them but there are very few tuff people left.

My point is my grandma died of a cancerous spot on her lungs. 40years ago this would not have been a big deal cause her weakened heart would have killed her if she had not gotten the pacemaker befor the cancer appeared. While in a relapse of the heart the doctor saw on the mri or whatever the spot, which killed her months later. Point years ago if she had survived the heart thing she would have just taken sick and died at the house with old age. This may not be the case with some of you but this is in the rural south, my dad grew up not having indoor plumbing till he was in highschool. Power was not stung through the area untill 65 years ago. I agree medical care in Atl or california newyork DC was probly entirely different.

I dont try to use to much of it or use it the day before a harvest but i use it.

 

[clemsonfor]

HeeHaw noted it was the 10%. Hopefully the 5% will stay on the shelves. Pricewise, the 10% is a better deal for the percentage vs the money. To dust dogs the maker recommends the 5%. The 10% is too strong. I use the 10% around the house and shop and plan to stock up before it sells out.

Remember the days when you could buy those pump sprayers for dusts? Fill the can with the powder and pump the bicycle type pump. Can't find those anymore. They worked pretty good. If any of you know where to get a couple let me know...

Wendallb...you have used the Bayer product? I will buy a bag next time when I go to Lowe's and try it. Sevin dust is the best, though.

I was going to say the package tells you to put it in a sock and dust dogs for fleas and their bedding in their house.

I remember my grandma using the pump to dust her vegtables. My brother and i use to joke that it was DDT. REally you cant buy them anymore? I'll make sure next time im at the farm i grab her old one (she has passed).

 

[bp fick]

I don't get it, people don't see the damage they are doing so they think it's not there.

The main ingredient in Seven is carbaryl, here's some of the damage it does:

"It causes birth defects in mammals, especially dogs.

It worsens the condition of people with hypertension and people on anti-depressant drugs.

It impairs the function of the pituitary gland, the thyroid gland, and the reproductive system.

It causes hyperactivity and learning disabilities in mammals.

It could increase the chance of heart attack in people with weak hearts.

The main break-down product, nitrosocarbaryl, which is easily created in the human gut, is a potent cancer-causing agent.

It causes irreversible chromosomal damage to human DNA (the genes in our cells)."

Carbaryl - Pesticide Black Death

Is this what you want your kids to ingest?

Now we have Roundup (glyphosate) so farmers can do "no till corn" which has to be genetically modified (GMO) to resist the pesticide. Trouble is that we don't know the long range effects of modifying our planet. If you ask Monsanto for absolute proof that GMO's won't go the way of their other products PCBs (carcinogenic) and the defoliate Agent Orange they have no answer. We're taking a bite of an apple that we can't replace. Is this the legacy we want to leave future generations?

Talk to a nurse in a hospital about cancer and ask her about the alarming rates that it has risen to. We now see young children getting cancer. The pesticdes on peanuts are so damaging that it can't be brought into schools. Is this what we want?

I used Tarro on ants and so did my firend. In both cases it was 100% effective, it just took time to work. But we don't have time anymore in this country. Too bad, what does that say about the value of our lives?

Rob

Rob, I agree with much of what you posted. However, these kinds of posts often engage a flame war, usually, that just brings down the conversation.

Here's my take. Re-thinking. Folks will need to learn how to better live with insects and control them in new ways to which we have grown unaccustomed. We are now a few generations into this "Better Living Through Chemistry" mindset. It is going to take re-training and new thinking and the offering of good, workable and positive solutions before folks will just abandon the old ways of grabbing pesticides and herbicides.

A lot of posturing on either side won't help much, imho. I find the challenge of learning new ways, new agricultural methods rewarding and stimulating. I am in my second year of organic market vegetable production. I am amazed and am not looking back.

As my friend, one of the nation's leading professional organic farmer says in his book, "We learned to farm this country, partly, from the Native peoples who taught the Pilgrims. We've remembered the corn, but have forgotten the fish".

Best regards,