2009 DK35SE Question

[Mike476]

The dealer told you this was required?

The dealer didn't say it was required but rather recommended to prevent fuel pump issues down the road. I didn't get the sense he was preaching a "will void warranty if owner failed to use the product" line, rather responding to my question regarding what, if any, problems he has encountered with the Kioti brand.

Since then I've spoken to quite a few people who run diesels and am surprised to find the product is a little like the aspirin to diesel engines, everyone seems to know about the benefits of it but you seldom hear it spoken of.

 

[IslandTractor]

Since then I've spoken to quite a few people who run diesels and am surprised to find the product is a little like the aspirin to diesel engines, everyone seems to know about the benefits of it but you seldom hear it spoken of.

??Kinda like daily multivitamins or worse from health food stores. In theory you can make an argument for them but in practice they just change the color and nutrient value of toilet water.:laughing:

 

[Mike476]

??Kinda like daily multivitamins or worse from health food stores. In theory you can make an argument for them but in practice they just change the color and nutrient value of toilet water.:laughing:

More fluids, that's what's needed :thumbsup:

 

[Gittyup]

I use PS Diesel Kleene (silver bottle) and PS Diesel Fuel Suppliment (white bottle). Both are listed as lubricators. I think the only difference is one has a detergent for injector cleaning. I use the recommended amount of both (double the recommended amount) per 5 gallon can. I don't know anything about a red bottle of 911 stuff. Tractor is real smooth even when very cold using this stuff. Unless you go through a lot of fuel, it's not very expensive; treats many tanks of fuel per bottle.

 

[Dmace]

I use PS Diesel Kleene (silver bottle) and PS Diesel Fuel Suppliment (white bottle). Both are listed as lubricators. I think the only difference is one has a detergent for injector cleaning. I use the recommended amount of both (double the recommended amount) per 5 gallon can. I don't know anything about a red bottle of 911 stuff. Tractor is real smooth even when very cold using this stuff. Unless you go through a lot of fuel, it's not very expensive; treats many tanks of fuel per bottle.

The difference is the white bottle is a lubricant that has an anti-gelling chemical to prevent the diesel fuel from gelling in the winter months during below freezing temps.
The gray bottle is a lubricant that also has a cetane booster (like an octane booster for gasoline) but no anti-gelling chemical.
The red bottle is just for curing diesel fuel that has already gelled and is clogging your filter/injectors. It works great!

I use the white bottle in the winter months, gray bottle for the rest of the year and keep a bottle of the red 911 stuff just for emergency and only had to use it once, on my old Ford dump truck.

 

[Mike476]

The difference is the white bottle is a lubricant that has an anti-gelling chemical to prevent the diesel fuel from gelling in the winter months during below freezing temps.
The gray bottle is a lubricant that also has a cetane booster (like an octane booster for gasoline) but no anti-gelling chemical.
The red bottle is just for curing diesel fuel that has already gelled and is clogging your filter/injectors. It works great!

I use the white bottle in the winter months, gray bottle for the rest of the year and keep a bottle of the red 911 stuff just for emergency and only had to use it once, on my old Ford dump truck.

Not unlike what we use in turbine engines using JP8 (refined diesel), FSII is an industry standard used to prevent gelling of fuel / clogging of fuel filters in cold temperatures at high altitudes, or for chopper guys who get nose bleeds over 10,000 feet, for use in colder climates.

By the number of posts by people who are aware of and use these products, and from people I've spoken to who use diesels in all kinds of vehicles, I think it safe to say that the advice given me by my Kioti dealer was sound and is not due to poor engineering so much as a preventative maintenance measure. Acknowledging the point brought up earlier ref sub-standard metals in the pump that have since been re-engineered, I haven't read anything from Kioti owners citing problems they've had with their tractors.

 

[rd_macgregor]

Mike,
Is that CD$22K just for the tractor, or does it include FEL, backhoe and/or any other attachments? I got my DK45SC in 2006 for CD$28K with FEL, brush mower and snow blower (everything is 6ft wide). I got a carryall last summer and bought a tooth bar and grapple rake this spring, but still covet several additional attachments (and a building to store them in!). The tractor itself is just a start and the other bits add up.
I drive by the local CAT dealer, who sells MF, and they are nice looking machines, too. I don't think the Kioti would disappoint you; balance cost and features, then decide on which colour you like the best!
BOB

 

[Mike476]

Mike,
Is that CD$22K just for the tractor, or does it include FEL, backhoe and/or any other attachments? I got my DK45SC in 2006 for CD$28K with FEL, brush mower and snow blower (everything is 6ft wide). I got a carryall last summer and bought a tooth bar and grapple rake this spring, but still covet several additional attachments (and a building to store them in!). The tractor itself is just a start and the other bits add up.
I drive by the local CAT dealer, who sells MF, and they are nice looking machines, too. I don't think the Kioti would disappoint you; balance cost and features, then decide on which colour you like the best!
BOB

That's $22 CD with FEL, no other attachments. I have a 7' MF blade, would be looking for forks and grapple down the road. I am looking forward to taking a look at the MFs as well to compare price points, standard features etc.

 

[KiotiDave]

Hi All,
The biggest problem we are running into is bacteria/algea growing in the tank and fuel system. Little pieces break off and clog injectors and other components. Our treatment has an anti-bacterial additive in. The lubrication is a plus as well as the anti-gel properties. The fuels today are terrible and change often from season to season. I would add the fuel additives to give you a more consistant protection.
You do not want to look into the bottom of your fuel tank and see fur growing.
Dave G.
KiotiDave

 

[Mike476]

Thanks for clarifying further Dave, all in all it sounds like just good practice as a preventative measure and not that expensive when weighed against potentially costly repair bills, regardless the brand of tractor.