seamless gutters

[captaincrab55]

You have a good point but to keep it flat enough on 60', one drop probably won't be enough no matter how little the roof is.

More drops are better and oversize drops are even better...

 

[Bird]

Long time ago (summer, 1997) I had one 54' run with a downspout on each end, and two 16' runs with one downspout each installed on a double wide mobile; total of about 84' and 4 downspouts for $474.11 including tax.

 

[EddieWalker]

A few years ago somebody on here mentioned that when installing the ones sold at the box stores, that you overlap the gutters when connectiong them. Never buy or use the connectors that they sell at the stores, they ALWAYS leak. I tried this with excellent results. Now it's the only way that I'll do it. Just put one end of the gutter inside the other gutter with some gutter sealant. It even looks good!!!!!!!!

I would use two downspouts on a run that long.

Eddie

 

[ultrarunner]

Has the price of copper gutters gone down recently?

I ask because I've seen several installs this year... two were like convention aluminum... only in copper.

One, a home in Berkeley, used European style... heave half pipe copper with under-slung copper supports and large round downspouts... I helped do an install in 1982 and the copper has held up to the severe weather common in the Austrian Alps.. and are almost self cleaning.

 

[schmism]

Just put one end of the gutter inside the other gutter with some gutter sealant. It even looks good!!!!!!!!
Eddie

I was going to mention this earlyer. About 2 years ago i put up about 100' of gavl gutters on my dads house. (2 turns and 2 down spouts) We Simply overlap and use sealant and i used a couple of poprivits at the top edge (front/back). (about 7 years ago i caught a seamless guy doing gutters at a neighbors house and had him peal off 2 24' long sections for my garage for me to install.... so i have experience handling both AL seamless and "traditional" gutter)

The 10' lengths were easy to handle... for one long run we attached 2 sections together on the ground and lifted up 20' but it was starting to get heavy and awkward with just 2 people.

Quite frankly i dont know how they would handle a 60' AL seamless in one piece without about 6 guys. It has about half the structural integrity in its naked form that galv does.


With the overlap method 9 of of 10 people wouldn't know the diffrence between 10' sticks and seamless if they looked at my dads house.

 

[EddieWalker]

Has the price of copper gutters gone down recently?

I ask because I've seen several installs this year... two were like convention aluminum... only in copper.

One, a home in Berkeley, used European style... heave half pipe copper with under-slung copper supports and large round downspouts... I helped do an install in 1982 and the copper has held up to the severe weather common in the Austrian Alps.. and are almost self cleaning.

I've seen a few higher end homes with copper gutters around here that I've worked on and the inside of the gutters are not copper, just the outside. I don't know how it's done, but from what it looks like, the copper is either sprayed on or coated in some manner so that it starts out shiny like copper, but then patinas. From the outside, there's no way to tell difference.

Eddie

 

[brin]

I agree with the other poster ...Get another bid or two...that is too high, it seems you are doing much of the work and for 50' or so of run..one downspout will not be enough even if you go with 6" gutters.

 

[ultrarunner]

Eddie... that explains it... they look like regular getters, only copper. Must be copper plated.

The all copper gutters I put up are like the ones on this website...

World Gutter Systems- copper gutters, accessories, and a wide variety of copper products

 

[Pops15]

this is a very simple run, no turns, 1 downspout at 1 end,
and he spoke of using high quality Alcoa aluminum for their
gutter. this quote did NOT include a guard or helmet.
I like the thought of no seams, maybe i'll look into the
drop and go idea, won't be too hard to lift 60' of gutter up
to the roof will it?

no lead paint, yes they would use wedges due to my
fascia being cut back at an angle instead of plumb.

i currently have the raingo plastic ones, and they aren't
installed properly, and don't catch the last 20' of roof due
to them being too low to catch the rain when it's coming down
heavy, it overshoots the gutter. (i guess i could fix this myeslf too)

but, they brag about their carrying capacity etc of the seamless, which
i'm sure is available in 10' long systems also.

One guy can lift 60' of gutter but you'll need two to hang it. Three people would be even better. One guy can hang 40' of gutter but it's no fun!

I agree with the others that you should have two down spouts. If you go with one you should make it a 3X4 instead of the standard 2X3.

Since it's a simple job with no lead paint issues or leaf guard I think the quote you got is pretty high. Keep shopping. Also ask them to show you how they install the hangers. They are supposed to snap over the back of the gutter but most guys shove them down inside so they're easier to nail or screw. That's a recipe for the hangers to loosen over time. Insist they snap the hangers over the back. Better yet have them use the more expensive hangers that have the screw in them. They are wider and stronger. I think I pay about 50 cents each for the better hangers. Put the hangers every 2' and you shouldn't have any issues with ladders. Make sure they tuck the gutter under the drip edge or flash under the drip edge/over the gutter. That's another shortcut some guys will take. I hate installing gutters but I install my own. I stopped subbing them out over 20 years ago because of the poor workmanship the subs were doing.
I suspect part of the reason for the high quote is the wedges, but that's really high. $5 a foot is a reasonable price for a quality but simple gutter job.

 

[Pops15]

I've seen a few higher end homes with copper gutters around here that I've worked on and the inside of the gutters are not copper, just the outside. I don't know how it's done, but from what it looks like, the copper is either sprayed on or coated in some manner so that it starts out shiny like copper, but then patinas. From the outside, there's no way to tell difference.

Eddie

Any idea what those copper clad gutters cost? Are they copper over steel or copper over aluminum?