Tubs

[woodlandfarms]

I am busy admiring that 1460, looking at how it is put together.

PT claims that the tubs are different per machine, but man, that tub really looks identical to the 1850, except for the pin locations for lift and tilt.

Is there a wall size thickness or any sort of difference? Maybe this week I will take some measurements and post them up.

Carl

 

[frischtr]

American Bulldog's 1460 compared to SpringHollow's 1850

The 1850 looks longer and thinner, the 1460 shorter and deeper. The front section is shaped differently also. The 1460 also has much thicker plate if I'm not mistaken.

 

[American Bulldog]

Yeah the 1460 is heavier for sure. Just look at the specs. The 1850 weighs 3800 pounds, and the 1460 weighs 5600 pounds. Same engine too. I bet your 1850 goes up hill a lot easier though.

The nameplate on my Deutz says 64 HP. Not sure why they call the 1460 as 60 HP and the 1850 as 65HP..... They both get the same engine.

That is kind of the reason why I got the 1460 as opposed to the 1850. Heavier built, less cost, more lift, and it can still handle 30 degree slopes.

 

[woodlandfarms]

If I were to do it over again, I probably would go with the 1460 and figure out how to make it dualies...

 

[American Bulldog]

If I were to do it over again, I probably would go with the 1460 and figure out how to make it dualies...

The 1850 is a great crawler and mower, but it is a little limited as a loader. I think it is overpriced compared to the 1460. PT has the "world's only 45 degree slope mower" and they price it that way. $7000 more gets you a 1800 pound lighter frame, a fire extinguisher, a brake tender, an extra set of smaller tires, and a seat that swivels.

Dualies would not be a problem as far as turning and all. I think that PT doesn't want people putting dualies on the 1460, because they wouldn't be able to sell the 1850 then.

 

[SpringHollow]

I talked to Terry about adding duals to the 1460 since I need duals to limit ground impact on my 1850, no less for a 2000 lb heavier 1460. He said the wheel motors just could not take the force.

Ken

 

[American Bulldog]

I talked to Terry about adding duals to the 1460 since I need duals to limit ground impact on my 1850, no less for a 2000 lb heavier 1460. He said the wheel motors just could not take the force.

Ken

That makes sense. The farther the tires go out, the more pressure there is on the front bearing of the wheel motor. This tractor has no suspension whatsoever, so the wheel motors take a pounding to begin with.

I put the new tires on my 1460. With tires like this, who needs duals? Tires are about 16" wide, and about 1/2" less diameter than the stock skid steer tires.

 

[woodlandfarms]

So BD, how good are you with a welder. I think the Loader has a slight design flaw. IMO, the tines should have some more support, another piece of steel going across closer to the tips. And then the tips should then have a gusset.

I guess it depends on how abusive you are, but I bent my tips on a heavier duty version of what you have fairly quickly. One log slipping around tortionally could really wreack havock.

But, that machine is beautiful and HUGE. pretty neat.

Carl

 

[American Bulldog]

So BD, how good are you with a welder. I think the Loader has a slight design flaw. IMO, the tines should have some more support, another piece of steel going across closer to the tips. And then the tips should then have a gusset.

I guess it depends on how abusive you are, but I bent my tips on a heavier duty version of what you have fairly quickly. One log slipping around tortionally could really wreack havock.

But, that machine is beautiful and HUGE. pretty neat.

Carl

Yeah I hear you. I proposed that issue to PT, but they said that the tines are made from special spring steel, and they have quite a bit of bend to them. If that is the case, at least they will bend before they break.

I have already beat them up pretty good. I grabbed a rock that was so heavy that it lifted the rear end of the tractor off the ground, and the tines survived that. So far no problems, but like you said it would be pretty easy to beef them up with a welder. Make them more like this:

 

[SpringHollow]

I put the new tires on my 1460. With tires like this, who needs duals? Tires are about 16" wide, and about 1/2" less diameter than the stock skid steer tires.

Much of the time, i can not run my PT 1850 with singles on my trails because the trails are so soft. With duals, the PT exerts the same pressure as my atv.

Each of our tires are 12" wide so duals give us 24" versus your 16". Add the extra 1800 pounds that your tractor has compared to mine (~ 50% increase to my tractor's weight) to the narrower total tire width and I am then saying "Houston, we have a problem".

Your tractor with the 16" tires has about the same ground impact as my tractor with just one set of 12" tires on it.

Ken



Ken