Flail Mower Requesting Advice on Buying a Used Flail Mower

   / Requesting Advice on Buying a Used Flail Mower #1  

7th Angel

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Kubota B2620
Since I am a complete novice, I would appreciate any advice anybody can give me on purchasing a used flail mower. I found a used Mott 48" that I think would be a good fit for my Kubota B2620. I have not seen the mower in person, only pictures. The mower is located about a 2 hour drive from me, so before I spend 4 hours on a "wild goose chase", I would appreciate some guidance.

The seller states that the mower works, but he doesn't have the PTO shaft so I cannot verify it. He is asking $350. Is that a reasonable price for something I can't test? I know parts are available from Flailmaster for the larger Mott mowers, but I haven't seen any for the 48". Will parts be hard to find?

Thank you for any and all advice you give me.

Doug aka 7th Angel
 
   / Requesting Advice on Buying a Used Flail Mower #2  
If the rotor is twisted or sprung, the mower is worth 5 cents per pound. If you can't test it, you probably won't be able to tell if the rotor is straight.
 
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I wouldn't buy it without being able to try it for the reason RickB stated. When ever I see a pto driven implement for sale without a shaft several thoughts come to mind.

1 how did the seller use it without a shaft.
2 Does the seller actually have the shaft but doesn't want you to try it for some reason.
3 Did the seller buy it at an auction and doesn' know any thing about it.
Bill

On flails you want to try it at pto speed to check for vibrations. You also want to check the condition of the knives.
 
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   / Requesting Advice on Buying a Used Flail Mower #4  
True on all counts;

you need a small hand held magnet
blue shop paper towels
squirt bottle of new gear oil
oil pan
set of box wrenches
set of allen wenches
magnetic base dial indicator
high candle power flashlight
long and short steel rulers
wire brushes small and large
rubbing alcohol to clean exposed welds
spring style weld chipping hammer


A couple of quick ways to check it for value;


remove several sets of knives to check for true by placing the ruler(s) in a clear part of the rotor, roll the rotor and hold the narrow end of steel ruler against the hood firmly but not to firmly and if it is out of round you will see it and feel it move the ruler.

do the same thing with the ruler flat against the rotor with a little pressure and if its damaged you will feell it scuff the ruler with authority.

It takes a lot off physical energy to damage a rotor as it is very well constructed and welded then balanced for proper orbit while mowing high rpm's

a rear roller will be damaged if the mower is backed into an immoveable object.

obtaining bearings is no problem as they are all metric, thank god!!!

the magnet is to check for metal pieces in the grease of the bearings after you wipe the bearings free of grease on all four sides.

Bring some wrenches and allen wrenches for the oil drain plug
and ask to be able to drain the oil in the gear box and offer to replace
the oil removed with new oil.

open the drive cover to check the chain and sprockets,
leave the cover off to check it later after you check the rotor for true orbit.

use the dial indicator to check the cross shaft for true orbit if the rotor and roller are OK- the end bearing will go bad before the shaft does.



Borrow or bribe a machinist or mechanic friend with beer, dinner, donuts, etc., or buy a dial indicator with a magnetic base to check and establish the orbit of the roller and the rotor- before you unpack the dial indicator-spin the rotor to see if its free by hand preferably with a pipe wrench as an aid to spin it- if it spins freely by hand no issues, no pipe wrench.

do the same with the rear roller, then you can unpack the dial indicator, park it where you have some clean metal-paints is ok but dirt and grass will distort the orbit to allow the magnet to hold and then spin the rotor by hand where it will have a clear path to create an orbit to see if it is out of round-if you have really bad bearings it will not be true in orbit but the bearings will correct that.

its end bearings are replaceable if they are bad.

The shafts are balanced to provide proper orbit and allow high speed rotation to allow quick grass slicing.



more than likely whoever had it stopped using it and took ther PTO shaft for some other implement.


I would offer them $175 dollars because it will cost almost that much to buy a new replacement limited slip clutch PTO shaft to replace the one that is missing.

Call flailmaster today-monday and tell them wht you know about it.
as the gear box should be standard issue where it can be identified and the mower blades are most likely grass blades anyway and there are plenty of grass knive types available.


It it were me, I would gamble and rebuild it if the bearings are questionable; pulleys, gearbox, roller chain, and sprockets are easily obtainable from a lot of places like grainger and Mcmaster Carr and probably Flailmaster as well.

They may have ruined the old bearings and substituted the erong bearings to begin with and ruined them too.


the flail mower requires sperical roller bearings,

you should have no issues obtaining the proper sperical roller bearings as they are common bearing used for many purposes.

the hood weldments should be checked by cleaning them with the alcohol and using the flashlight to check for holes if any in the steel hoods. I would also tap the steel at the welds to see if they sound a bit hollow to check for broken welds- you will be able to tell quickly with a flash light and a chipping hammer.
 
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Doug, I can say I agree with two of the replies so far, I doubt anyone in their right mind is going to let you disassemble a flail mower they're selling for $350.

I'd say if you can't run it, you're buying a pig in a poke. It might be ok, it might not. Either way it's going to cost you $350, plus 4 hours driving time, plus the cost of a PTO shaft just to find out if it's ok, unless you have one that'll fit. You might be able to beat him down some, but there's not much wiggle room at that price.

I think it's worth the drive, but be prepared to come home empty handed. A lot depends on the feel you get from the seller in my opinion. If I had more time, I'd tell the story about my quest for a used post hole digger. It turned out well, but there were a few moments when I had my doubts.

Finally, be sure you CAN get parts, if not you're buying an orphan.

Sean
 
   / Requesting Advice on Buying a Used Flail Mower
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Thank you everyone for your excellent advice and for taking your time to reply. It's greatly appreciated! :thumbsup:

I sent the seller an email asking him a few (about 10) more questions. He told me because "I have so many questions, I would be better off to go buy a new one for $2,000 plus tax and freight."

Anyway, this one didn't work out, but because of the excellent advice you all posted, I have a better idea what to look for when the next "deal" comes along.

Thanks again!

Doug aka 7th Angel
 
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I sent the seller an email asking him a few (about 10) more questions. He told me because "I have so many questions, I would be better off to go buy a new one for $2,000 plus tax and freight."

I don't take that attitude when I sell used stuff... but I don't have anything to hide.

You may well have the entire answer with his response!
 
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I don't take that attitude when I sell used stuff... but I don't have anything to hide.

You may well have the entire answer with his response!

Pretty much what I was thinking.

Sean
 
 

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