Salesman changed sale price!!!!!

[Mousefield]

Hi everyone,

How come in Saskatchewan you're getting a quote around 25k for a DK45/loader/cab while around here in Quebec I got, as of yesterday, a quote of 29k for a DK45/loader/no cab? or 36k with the cab...

The DK55 was about 3.5k more...

Can the prices be so different (12k) between Saskatchewan and Quebec with only 1 or 2 more days of train transport or is there something awfully wrong with the 50% more quote i'm getting ?

Thanks, North

If you look at the 1st post by the original poster you will see they reneged on the quote as he had quoted wrong (low). They did not honor the quote.

 

[lilranch2001]

I have never sold tractors or farm equipment. But I did sell cars for many years. I never gave a person a written price on any vehicle I had in stock. Here is the reason why. With a printed price you gave your competition an open door to beat your deal. Some dealers were,(are), so hungry they will sell their product at and maybe even under cost. (You never want to have your dealer sell you at below cost because he will go out of business and you need him,) Many buyers never consider what they get after the sale such as service and help solving problems. When they are buying new all they are considering is price for the new vehicle or tractor. I always told the buyer shop around, keep in mind my dealership reputation, years in the business and etc. then bring me your best price I will beat if I can. Folks that might sound crazy but in the 1970痴 I made over $40,000 per year selling. I never low-balled a person, which seems to be what the Koiti dealer did. The Philosophy behind low-balling a price is you go to the Mahindra dealer and tell them they are X dollars too high. They tell you no the price i gave you was really good. Kioto can稚 beat my price for a like equipped tractor. You say well I can beat the price. The when you are told the real price from the Kioti dealer you are shocked and tell the Kioti dealer that is too high, Mahindra said such and such. The Kioto dealer then days I made a mistake and I am sorry but let痴 see what we can do. Believing all the time you will give him a few hundred dollars more than Mahindra because you want to save face. It is not easy to go back to Mahindra and say, 展ell I feel like a fool, I can't get the tractor at X price will you still sell me yours for X?
Folks it is just a game. That is why I got out of the business. I have always said very few dealers tell the truth. Case in point; ask a dealer the best price they will take. If they are honest they will give you their best price from the get go. But few do. Even after they tell you their best price the normally negotiate down some more. If they told you the best price there would be no room to negotiate. Now if you have a trade this is different because no one can put an exact price on a trade-in.

If I were selling tractors in your area, even though you are three hours from me. I would determine how ready you are to buying, and then see if you could buy, (the old would you, could, you and if you sales style without the if you part, by the way is still used today to qualify buyers from lookers.), and then come to you with a model tractor I think you want. I would sell you on my service and willingness to serve you. This would get the deal quicker than being the lowest price. What will it cost me to bring the tractor to you one day? A good dealer always starts out with the list and then say I will do all I can to make you a deal. Let痴 consider what it will cost the dealer/salesman to bring the tractor to you? Let痴 consider you live 150 mile away. I would put one day in @ let痴 say $100.00 per day salary, 150 mikes at $1.50 per mile or $225.00 so I have invested $325.00. If I am not going to make that much or more in parts sales I have a very big hole in my operations. So I have made nothing until I sell you a tractor. Many dealers today only sell price. Where they need to sell product and service. I have a friend who sold Chryslers in the 1970痴. About half of his cars he sold for list price. Why because Mrs. Jones knew if it wouldn稚 start on a cold morning all she needed to do was call the dealership and a person would be at her car in a matter of minutes.

Just my two cents.

Don

I wont buy anything without a written quote, if you wont put it in writing for me, I do not need you

 

[sixdogs]

.......... Like always it turned out for the best in the end......

Has this had a happy ending yet with a tractor delivery or is it still a work in progress? Any updates?

 

[TurtleRiverWhitetails]

sixdogs

On 07-25-2010, 10:36 AM you had a post and the next post was mine saying I bought a tractor.

Turtle River Whitetails

 

[NorthernChilli]

If you look at the 1st post by the original poster you will see they reneged on the quote as he had quoted wrong (low). They did not honor the quote.

I know there was an error in the quote, but was it a 12k error ?

I think I was treated more than fairly and he offered his best price first no haggles. I got it for $26172.69 out the door Cdn. funds.

Since the DK35 HST/CAB/Loader was 26172, I'd say the DK45 GEAR/CAB/Loader would have been around 2k higher, so 28k. That's still 7k less than the quote i'm getting around here...

Turtle, would you mind revealing the amount of the 'revised' quote you got from the first dealer ? How much was his 'error' on the first quote ?

Thanks,

 

[Gator6x4]

I got an email quote from a Kioti dealer for a DK45SE with cab and loader via an email. I contacted the salesman and told him we had a deal. We discussed everything in detail that was in the email and I asked again if everything was correct to which he replied "Yes sir". I said ok we have a deal but I want to be honest with you I made a deal with a Mahindra guy on Monday so I need to let him know I have decided to buy this Kioti. The salesman then asked what the deal was so I told him. My mistake!!!
I called the Mahindra guy and told him I was buying the Kioti which did not make him very happy to say the least.
About 10 minutes later the Kioti saleman called me and said "I made a mistake on the quote and now here is the real price". He raised the price close to the same amount I was willing to spend on the Mahindra. I will attach the email for the original quote if I can.

Hi Richard

Kioti called and we can get one in about two weeks

DK45SE gear w/loader and cab $24,625.43

And I called around for yours -- $10,000.00

Thanks again for the Opportunity to quote

Your needs



Any ideas on how to hold this salesman to his first quote?
I am mad as #ELL!!!!!!!

I am not a tractor dealer but, I would guess that the dealer could not buy a Kioti DK45SE with cab and loader for $24,625.43 so how could he sell one for that. I think the salesman pushed the wrong button when he was preparing the quote. I personally do not think a business owner has to sell us something several hundred dollars or more below his cost regardless of what one of his salesmen said.

 

[Covfam]

I belive the Op is in the right, its his job to find the best deal, not to take any offer the seller offers and ive seen too many shady sales people.

I dont trust salesmen, 5 years ago i had our local GM dealer quote us a price for the model buick we wanted and he said that another dealer had that vehicle and would do a car swap with them.

He then gave us a printed out quote and list of total cost for us to take copy to the bank for our bank loan,
2 days later i get a phone call that somehow there was a mistake and the buick will cost 3k more. i told him to stuff it he wasnt going to get any of my money ever. I went to his competitor 20 miles down the road and bought a Buick Lucern from them, and after paying it off Bought a GMC Yukon Denali this year, between those two vehicles and services he lost our 100k in 5 years.

In my opinion its not the sale price, its what the dealer will do to work with you... i payed a slightly higher price at another GM dealer because they went out of thier way with me and gave me free oil changes for a year, and he wasnt a scuzball trying to squeeze every nickle out of me. being nice to me Earned him 100k.

 

[TurtleRiverWhitetails]

Chili:

The "revised" is in PDF form and is password protected so I can not copy/paste it. Here is what is was:

DK45SE Kioti tractor with gear/cab/Indtires/ 27,368.40
Kl 451 loader package 4,956.00
Kl cash rebate -3500.00
eviron fees for tires 100.00

total w/o taxes $28924.40

Hope this helps and if you can tell me how to email or copy/paste the PDF file I will.

Do not pay any attention to the other people saying they cant even buy a tractor for such and such a price as they do not know the values the dealers are paying or any of the other nay sayers as EVERYTHING I have written on here is the exact way it happened I do have it all in email or writting!

Turtle River Whitetails

 

[NorthernChilli]

Thanks Turtle,

For the PDF part, using ghostscript to open the pdf used to work to circumvent protections in PDF, but I have not tried lately. If you have a PDF "printer" driver that allows to print to PDF, you can print your pdf in another pdf and it sometimes work.

While the Kioti guy was calculating the submission, I was able to glance the 4995$ (or very similar amount) of the loader part on the list he was checking, but no other price unfortunately, so that seems to be in line with what you got. He also took off the 3500$ cash rebate. He submitted 28 500$ without the cab (so around 27 000$ for the tractor only, no cab). He told me the cabin part was 7 000$.

How come I'm still getting a 35 500$ price tag, 6 600$ more than you for the same thing

Your submission : DK45/Loader/cab : 28 900$ +tx (that's the revised price)
My submission : DK45/Loader/No cab : 28 500$ +tx

You'd pay only 400$ more getting a cab!!! Where am I wrong ?

Adding the cab would get me : DK45/Loader/cab - cash back = 35 500$ + tax

Ok, this was his first submission, no haggeling done. Could I haggle 6 600$ on this one, really? Or are we stupid enough in QC to pay 25% more than our fellow english speaking citizens ?

Only diff I could see is that the price included delivery, and a block heater. Neither can account for the 6 600$ difference.

Any input on this, anyone ?

Thanks, Phil

 

[Luremaker]

Thanks Turtle,

... Ok, this was his first submission, no haggeling done. Could I haggle 6 600$ on this one, really? Or are we stupid enough in QC to pay 25% more than our fellow english speaking citizens ?

Only diff I could see is that the price included delivery, and a block heater. Neither can account for the 6 600$ difference.

Any input on this, anyone ?

Thanks, Phil

Hi Phil, I lived in Quebec for a few years in the late 70's and I remember almost everything was more expensive in "La Belle Province" other than beer, hydro and real estate. I'd ask for a re-quote and contact a few dealers in Ontario or New Brunswick which ever is closer. I'd be happy to drive a few hours for $6000+.