JD4600 hydraulic problem (HELP)

[MD3]

My 3 point is constantly trying to readjust up to the pre determined position while bush hogging or whenever I add an attachment with some weight. I also noticed that while using the FEL I could hear a squeal like noise in the 3 point lift arm area at times. I have a 48BH that was installed by the dealer with the quick disconnects and a loop hose that is connected when the BH is unhooked. I check the Hyd. Fluid level and it is good. I have about 500 hours on the machine and never changed the hydraulic filter or cleaned the screen. Is this my problem? Can you get an air leak in the loop hose that will cause this? Is there an adjustment or do I have a major problem?

MD3

 

[beenthere]

I suspect changing the filter and oil, as well as cleaning the screen would be timely. Usually recommend that at 50 hours and then 250 after that I believe.

The "squeal" of oil passing I can get if the rpm is low, and oil not warmed up.

The readjusting of the 3 ph arms isn't something that I'm familiar with. If at the top of the lift, there is an adjustment that can be made.

 

[Storm56]

I too would change the fluid and filter. Be sure to get the suction screen on the bottom of the transmission. I just use diesel fuel and a paintbrush to clean mine.

 

[MD3]

Thanks for the advise. I will change the oil and filter along with cleaning the screen right away. Hope that takes care of the problem.

Thanks again:
MD3

 

[beenthere]

MD3
Do you have draft control on your 4600? That would be a spring arrangement on the top link connect at the rockshaft.

 

[MD3]

MD3
Do you have draft control on your 4600? That would be a spring arrangement on the top link connect at the rockshaft.

beenthere,

Is the top link the same thing as the center link? The center link is rigid and doesn't appear to have a spring arrangement.

 

[beenthere]

Yes, the top link is connected to the center link.
If you had the draft control, then there is some linkage that possibly needs adjustment.

When the 3 ph arms are "readjusting", have you tried different pin placement at the center link, to see if the reactions are the same?

 

[MD3]

Yes, the top link is connected to the center link.
If you had the draft control, then there is some linkage that possibly needs adjustment.

When the 3 ph arms are "readjusting", have you tried different pin placement at the center link, to see if the reactions are the same?

I do not think that I have a draft control. I attached the bush hog in the same manner as in the past. Before it would self adjust every now and again, now it self adjust every few seconds.

 

[beenthere]

The troubleshooting chart doesn't spell out the re-adjust problem, but here is the list anyway.

There is only one that might apply, with the issue pertaining to a faulty control valve. Hopefully not it.

That possibility reminds me of an early problem with the first 4300's (and I suspect the 4600 may have been included) that a screen in the hyd. line sometimes would blow out and become lodged in the control valve. There was a replacement issued that removed that screen. However, with your BH, I suspect you don't have that issue because I think that line is replaced with the power beyond. Might be worth a check with the service manager at your Deere dealer. Your 4600 may not be involved.

 

[MD3]

I had the opportunity to talk with a 78 year young ex tractor dealer about my problem. The first thing out of Jim痴 mouth was that I was restricting the oil flow and that he recommended that I double check my quick coupler connection. My response back to Jim was that I connected and disconnected quick couplers 1000痴 of times and that I did not think that the coupler was my problem. Jim gave me that smile. I went home and looked at the connection and it looked good. I disconnected and cleaned the quick couplers and reconnected. Problem solved, that Jim is the man. 2 lessons to be learned. Check your quick couples and listen to your elders.

 

[RoyJackson]

Where abouts you at, MD3? Windsor (near Red Lion) here.

 

[beenthere]

MD3
That is good to hear. The thought of the faulty control valve didn't sound good.

 

[MD3]

Where abouts you at, MD3? Windsor (near Red Lion) here.

Hello neighbor. Windsor for me also. You know Jim W. I bet.

 

[swmich42]

The quick couplers you are referencing in your note; are those going to your Loader, or your 3-point? I have 4700 with exact same issue. I do not yet have a loader on this unit, although it is set up for a loader, I am experiencing the same issue when I connect 3 point implement to rear. (box blade and soon heavy duty cutter) I am new to any maintenance or repairs on a tractor, so you will have to forgive my ignorance on this issue.

 

[MD3]

The quick couplers you are referencing in your note; are those going to your Loader, or your 3-point? I have 4700 with exact same issue. I do not yet have a loader on this unit, although it is set up for a loader, I am experiencing the same issue when I connect 3 point implement to rear. (box blade and soon heavy duty cutter) I am new to any maintenance or repairs on a tractor, so you will have to forgive my ignorance on this issue.

My JD4600 would self adjust at times even when it was new. It would self adjust maybe a couple of times a minute with a 6 Bush Hog hanging off the 3 point arms. When my problem began it would self adjust maybe a couple of times in 10 seconds. Do not go by these times due to it just being a guess but you can see the difference. I have a JD backhoe from the dealer and this requires quick disconnects at the back of the tractor. When the backhoe is not hooked up you must connect a loop hose to this QD. That is where my problem was. It had nothing to do with the FEL. What is the self adjust rate for your machine?

 

[RoyJackson]

Hello neighbor. Windsor for me also. You know Jim W. I bet.

No, I don't know Jim W. (at least I don't think I do). Windsor is a pretty big borough.

 

[MD3]

No, I don't know Jim W. (at least I don't think I do). Windsor is a pretty big borough.

If you know White Oak RD. and Manner RD. you are just about there.

 

[swmich42]

Sorry MD3. I am still new to tractor speak. Can you explain what "self adjust rate" refers to and where I can locate? I have a 2000 4700 4x4 ehydro.

 

[swmich42]

MD3, if you mean the self adjust rate for how fast/slow the 3pt arms react to hydrolic control, that is beneath the driver's seat.

 

[RoyJackson]

If you know White Oak RD. and Manner RD. you are just about there.

Yep, I come across White Oak Road daily. Turn left at Manor Road.
Are you the gent with the Deere (with backhoe) that was setting at the end of the drive for about 3 weeks last winter? I thought it was a 4400, but I could be mistaken.